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Cleveland Guardians mega year-end mailbag: Amed Rosario, rotation questions, rule changes
By Zack Meisel
Dec 29, 2022
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CLEVELAND — For the last time this year, let’s go straight to your questions, which have been edited for the sake of clarity.
Can you please get off Amed Rosario’s case? Winning teams keep their nucleus and build on it. This obsession with selling your best players and replacing them with unproven maybes if you can get a potentially halfway decent return is how losers think. — Mickey E.
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You’re going to hate the Shane Bieber dialogue next winter. If you don’t think this is how the Guardians (and many teams) operate, then I don’t know what to tell you. I write an occasional article about it because this is what front offices consider, not because I have a clause in my contract with The Athletic that lands me a bonus if the guy gets traded.
If Rosario had three years of team control remaining, it wouldn’t be a discussion. They would keep him. If the team was in rebuild mode, it wouldn’t be a discussion. They would trade him. Instead, we have nuance.
That doesn’t mean they’re going to deal him — I wrote last week why it’s quite unlikely — just like they didn’t deal him over the summer, despite plenty of conversations about it in the weeks leading up to the deadline.
Who plays the most games at shortstop in 2023? — Mike L.
[Stares Mickey in the eye] Amed Rosario.
Zack, all over the interwebs I keep seeing post after post and tweet after tweet about how Oscar Gonzalez will regress and Myles Straw is finished and Cal Quantrill has gotten lucky. Please give us five reasons the Guardiac Kids will be BETTER next season rather than regress. — Nathan T.
1. José Ramírez: healthy, with better lineup protection and with limits on shifting. Look out.
2. Bieber, another year removed from his shoulder injury and now armed with the confidence of knowing he can thrive without throwing 95 mph.
3. Josh Bell. He’s good.
4. Aaron Civale, without the interruptions. I still think he can pitch like he did in the first half of 2021, when he was emerging as a front-line starter.
5. They aren’t rookies anymore. Well, some of them. The lights won’t be as bright. The nerves won’t be as debilitating. The task at hand won’t be as daunting. I don’t know if it will all add up to a better record, and some young players will undoubtedly hit speed bumps, but this should be a more formidable team. They won’t be devoting 800 plate appearances to Owen Miller, Oscar Mercado and Ernie Clement, after all.
Aaron Civale posted a 3.32 ERA in 15 starts in the first half of the 2021 season. (Peter Aiken / USA Today)
What is a “run production coordinator”? — Chris W.
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That’s the fancy title for Jason Esposito, who is joining the Guardians’ team of major-league hitting coaches. He replaces Justin Toole, who served as the club’s hitting analyst for the last few seasons but left to become the Mariners’ director of player development. Esposito will assist Chris Valaika and Victor Rodriguez as well as pore over video to scout each night’s opposing starting pitcher. As hitting coach at Double-A Akron and Triple-A Columbus in recent years, Esposito has worked with many of the Guardians’ young hitters. Will Brennan, for instance, credited Esposito with helping to pave his path to the majors.
How will the rule changes in 2023 specifically impact the Guardians’ playing style? — Jonathan O.
The pitch clock, limits on pickoff attempts and larger bases should place a greater emphasis on stolen bases, which should aid the Guardians, who ranked third in the majors in stolen bases and third with an 82 percent success rate. As Bell said, “The changes in the game are trying to promote teams like the Guardians.”
Bell seems to think he’ll benefit from the shift restrictions and said “a lot of lefties have been waiting for this moment for a long time. … You have a runner at first base, you roll a ball over and you get rewarded and now it’s first and third as opposed to a double-play ball with the shift.”
Defensively, Andrés Giménez’s Gold Glove defense at second base should pay dividends since the days of sticking three defenders on one side of the infield are over. Having a first baseman with some range will be valuable, too, so that could place pressure on Bell and Josh Naylor to cover more ground. And with stolen bases being encouraged, catchers will have increased responsibility. Mike Zunino has been a tick above league average in throwing out runners during his career.
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Every team is going into a new season saying, “Our goal is to win the World Series.” OK. What would you say is the Guardians’ (unofficial but realistic) goal for 2023 with respect to their potential (talent, resources, etc.)? Are they OK with winning the division and everything else is just the icing on the cake? Thank you for your endless efforts digging into this great franchise and giving us your insights on the Cleveland Guardians! — Johannes G.
It’s been three-quarters of a century since they’ve won a title. Shouldn’t their realistic aim be to end that drought? To your point, though, I think a deeper playoff run should be the expectation and serve as validation that last fall was no fluke. The Guardians addressed their primary weaknesses this winter, and while the roster is not infallible, there should be no reason they can’t acquire whatever upgrades they need between now and the trade deadline.
Will Josh Naylor be able to play outfield after his injury? — RJ W.
Manager Terry Francona has gone out of his way multiple times this winter to mention that he’d at least like that to be an option.
They have been talking about using this glut of prospects in trades to upgrade other areas for the last two years but seem reluctant to pull the trigger. What gives? — Michael T.
One driving factor is the organization’s starting pitcher timeline. There’s obviously no guarantee Bieber will be a Guardian past 2024. Triston McKenzie emerged as a front-line starter last season and Quantrill is a workhorse, but who else can the team be confident it can rely on in the near future? They’ve been reluctant to include Top 100 prospects Daniel Espino, Gavin Williams and Tanner Bibee in trades because they know they’ll need them to help usher in the next great Cleveland rotation, and they’ll want that transition to be as seamless as possible at some point in the next year or two. That’s not to say all three are future aces — odds would indicate maybe one will be — but with high ceilings, they could eventually replace Bieber or Civale or Zach Plesac. That doesn’t explain why there’s still a surplus of middle-infield prospects, but teams — including Oakland in the Sean Murphy talks — have been fixated on the Guardians’ pitching.
How might the Guardians use Will Brennan next season? — George T.
As the first outfielder in line for a bunch of playing time should Steven Kwan, Myles Straw or Oscar Gonzalez falter or land on the injured list. For what it’s worth, FanGraphs’ Steamer projection system forecasts a 115 wRC+ for Brennan, meaning offensive output 15 percent better than league average. FanGraphs’ ZiPS model isn’t as kind, projecting a .687 OPS.
Would you rather try to upgrade the back end of the starting rotation or try to find another bat (e.g., Bryan Reynolds)? I’d rather go for the pitching upgrade myself given I don’t trust Plesac or Civale. — Jacob M.
The Astros always have starting pitching depth, and that shouldn’t change despite Justin Verlander relocating. The Yankees added Carlos Rodón to an already strong group that includes Gerrit Cole, Nestor Cortes and Luis Severino. The Mariners are sneakily loaded with Luis Castillo, Robbie Ray, Logan Gilbert and George Kirby. The Blue Jays boast Alek Manoah, Kevin Gausman and now Chris Bassitt. The White Sox are hoping for rebounds from Lucas Giolito and/or Mike Clevinger to round out a rotation that features Dylan Cease, Lance Lynn and Michael Kopech.
This is all on paper and pitchers regress and surprise every year — maybe Cody Morris will emerge as a reliable force for Cleveland, for instance — but the teams standing in the Guardians’ way in the American League all employ starters who wouldn’t seem out of place on a mound in October. It’s one thing for the Guardians to hope Civale or Plesac enjoys a revival, but it might behoove them to have another near-certainty at the top or middle of the rotation. They can acquire that missing piece in July if they prefer, and they should have the trade ammunition to outbid other contenders.
Since it’s Hall of Fame season, are the Cleveland Guardians invested at all in a player like CC Sabathia making the Hall of Fame, or maybe more to the point Kenny Lofton? If/when either of them get into the Hall, would they retire their numbers? Would there be a ceremony? — James K.
Sabathia, who will land on the ballot in two years alongside Ichiro Suzuki, is expected to enter Cooperstown one day as a member of the Yankees. He spent 11 seasons in New York and eight in Cleveland. I’d imagine the Guardians would host a ceremony for him during that summer, though. He maintains ties to the organization and visited a few times last season. Sabathia, by the way, is one of 19 pitchers in the sport’s history to total at least 3,000 strikeouts. The only members of that club not in the Hall of Fame: Curt Schilling, Max Scherzer (that’ll change), Verlander (that’ll change) and Roger Clemens.
Lofton would have to be elected via a committee. (And he’s deserving of strong consideration, despite falling off the ballot in his initial year in 2013.) He’d certainly represent Cleveland, having spent 10 of his 17 seasons with the franchise (and no more than one season anywhere else).
Induction into the Hall is typically the requirement for the club to retire a number. Cleveland’s retired numbers: Earl Averill (3), Lou Boudreau (5), Larry Doby (14), Mel Harder (18), Bob Feller (19), Frank Robinson (20), Bob Lemon (21), Jim Thome (25) and Jackie Robinson (42). Only Harder, who pitched for the team for 20 seasons, is not in the Hall.
Any update on Daniel Espino’s health? — David W.
Espino returned to his native Panama after the season to go through some physical therapy. He’s expected to travel to Arizona to complete his offseason training, and the organization expects him “to be fully ready for spring training,” according to team president Chris Antonetti.
As we head to 2023, anything worth sharing on what you’re going to be doing for the site in the coming year? Any changes worth sharing on Guards coverage? — Bill L.
A year ago, we were mired in the early stages of a soul-sucking, 99-day lockout. When it ended, there were debates about the name change, Ramírez’s future and how many Bradley Zimmer at-bats we would have to endure. It was, admittedly, a tricky time to cover this team. (And my wife and I had our first child on the way, which added a personal layer of complexity.)
That’s all in the past. Spring training is around the corner, incredibly, and the Guardians are carrying well-earned, lofty expectations. They busted onto the scene last year, surprising anyone who didn’t have a locker in that clubhouse. But now it’s time we really get to know these new faces. I’m a planner, and I can honestly say I’ve never had more projects, more fun ideas and big swings mapped out ahead of a new year. Yes, we’ll finish up the Cleveland Baseball Countdown that fell victim to the immediate shift from lockout to new season last spring. I have several trips booked for early in the year to tell stories that need to be told. We’ll of course analyze and argue about the roster until we can all say Pilkington 10 times fast. More than anything, I’ll continue to do my best to take you behind the scenes, to shed light on the humans on and off the field, and on the thought processes behind every decision on the diamond and in the front office. Whether I’m doing so from Arizona, Seattle for the season opener, Progressive Field or anywhere in between, the goal is to ensure you’re reading coverage you can’t get elsewhere.
Talk to you in the new year.
Note: There were about 200 questions submitted for this mailbag. If I didn’t answer yours, you can always email me at zmeisel@theathletic.com. Sometimes I avoid including certain questions because I plan to tackle them at length in a separate, future article.
By Zack Meisel
Dec 29, 2022
51
Save Article
CLEVELAND — For the last time this year, let’s go straight to your questions, which have been edited for the sake of clarity.
Can you please get off Amed Rosario’s case? Winning teams keep their nucleus and build on it. This obsession with selling your best players and replacing them with unproven maybes if you can get a potentially halfway decent return is how losers think. — Mickey E.
ADVERTISEMENT
You’re going to hate the Shane Bieber dialogue next winter. If you don’t think this is how the Guardians (and many teams) operate, then I don’t know what to tell you. I write an occasional article about it because this is what front offices consider, not because I have a clause in my contract with The Athletic that lands me a bonus if the guy gets traded.
If Rosario had three years of team control remaining, it wouldn’t be a discussion. They would keep him. If the team was in rebuild mode, it wouldn’t be a discussion. They would trade him. Instead, we have nuance.
That doesn’t mean they’re going to deal him — I wrote last week why it’s quite unlikely — just like they didn’t deal him over the summer, despite plenty of conversations about it in the weeks leading up to the deadline.
Who plays the most games at shortstop in 2023? — Mike L.
[Stares Mickey in the eye] Amed Rosario.
Zack, all over the interwebs I keep seeing post after post and tweet after tweet about how Oscar Gonzalez will regress and Myles Straw is finished and Cal Quantrill has gotten lucky. Please give us five reasons the Guardiac Kids will be BETTER next season rather than regress. — Nathan T.
1. José Ramírez: healthy, with better lineup protection and with limits on shifting. Look out.
2. Bieber, another year removed from his shoulder injury and now armed with the confidence of knowing he can thrive without throwing 95 mph.
3. Josh Bell. He’s good.
4. Aaron Civale, without the interruptions. I still think he can pitch like he did in the first half of 2021, when he was emerging as a front-line starter.
5. They aren’t rookies anymore. Well, some of them. The lights won’t be as bright. The nerves won’t be as debilitating. The task at hand won’t be as daunting. I don’t know if it will all add up to a better record, and some young players will undoubtedly hit speed bumps, but this should be a more formidable team. They won’t be devoting 800 plate appearances to Owen Miller, Oscar Mercado and Ernie Clement, after all.
Aaron Civale posted a 3.32 ERA in 15 starts in the first half of the 2021 season. (Peter Aiken / USA Today)
What is a “run production coordinator”? — Chris W.
ADVERTISEMENT
That’s the fancy title for Jason Esposito, who is joining the Guardians’ team of major-league hitting coaches. He replaces Justin Toole, who served as the club’s hitting analyst for the last few seasons but left to become the Mariners’ director of player development. Esposito will assist Chris Valaika and Victor Rodriguez as well as pore over video to scout each night’s opposing starting pitcher. As hitting coach at Double-A Akron and Triple-A Columbus in recent years, Esposito has worked with many of the Guardians’ young hitters. Will Brennan, for instance, credited Esposito with helping to pave his path to the majors.
How will the rule changes in 2023 specifically impact the Guardians’ playing style? — Jonathan O.
The pitch clock, limits on pickoff attempts and larger bases should place a greater emphasis on stolen bases, which should aid the Guardians, who ranked third in the majors in stolen bases and third with an 82 percent success rate. As Bell said, “The changes in the game are trying to promote teams like the Guardians.”
Bell seems to think he’ll benefit from the shift restrictions and said “a lot of lefties have been waiting for this moment for a long time. … You have a runner at first base, you roll a ball over and you get rewarded and now it’s first and third as opposed to a double-play ball with the shift.”
Defensively, Andrés Giménez’s Gold Glove defense at second base should pay dividends since the days of sticking three defenders on one side of the infield are over. Having a first baseman with some range will be valuable, too, so that could place pressure on Bell and Josh Naylor to cover more ground. And with stolen bases being encouraged, catchers will have increased responsibility. Mike Zunino has been a tick above league average in throwing out runners during his career.
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Every team is going into a new season saying, “Our goal is to win the World Series.” OK. What would you say is the Guardians’ (unofficial but realistic) goal for 2023 with respect to their potential (talent, resources, etc.)? Are they OK with winning the division and everything else is just the icing on the cake? Thank you for your endless efforts digging into this great franchise and giving us your insights on the Cleveland Guardians! — Johannes G.
It’s been three-quarters of a century since they’ve won a title. Shouldn’t their realistic aim be to end that drought? To your point, though, I think a deeper playoff run should be the expectation and serve as validation that last fall was no fluke. The Guardians addressed their primary weaknesses this winter, and while the roster is not infallible, there should be no reason they can’t acquire whatever upgrades they need between now and the trade deadline.
Will Josh Naylor be able to play outfield after his injury? — RJ W.
Manager Terry Francona has gone out of his way multiple times this winter to mention that he’d at least like that to be an option.
They have been talking about using this glut of prospects in trades to upgrade other areas for the last two years but seem reluctant to pull the trigger. What gives? — Michael T.
One driving factor is the organization’s starting pitcher timeline. There’s obviously no guarantee Bieber will be a Guardian past 2024. Triston McKenzie emerged as a front-line starter last season and Quantrill is a workhorse, but who else can the team be confident it can rely on in the near future? They’ve been reluctant to include Top 100 prospects Daniel Espino, Gavin Williams and Tanner Bibee in trades because they know they’ll need them to help usher in the next great Cleveland rotation, and they’ll want that transition to be as seamless as possible at some point in the next year or two. That’s not to say all three are future aces — odds would indicate maybe one will be — but with high ceilings, they could eventually replace Bieber or Civale or Zach Plesac. That doesn’t explain why there’s still a surplus of middle-infield prospects, but teams — including Oakland in the Sean Murphy talks — have been fixated on the Guardians’ pitching.
How might the Guardians use Will Brennan next season? — George T.
As the first outfielder in line for a bunch of playing time should Steven Kwan, Myles Straw or Oscar Gonzalez falter or land on the injured list. For what it’s worth, FanGraphs’ Steamer projection system forecasts a 115 wRC+ for Brennan, meaning offensive output 15 percent better than league average. FanGraphs’ ZiPS model isn’t as kind, projecting a .687 OPS.
Would you rather try to upgrade the back end of the starting rotation or try to find another bat (e.g., Bryan Reynolds)? I’d rather go for the pitching upgrade myself given I don’t trust Plesac or Civale. — Jacob M.
The Astros always have starting pitching depth, and that shouldn’t change despite Justin Verlander relocating. The Yankees added Carlos Rodón to an already strong group that includes Gerrit Cole, Nestor Cortes and Luis Severino. The Mariners are sneakily loaded with Luis Castillo, Robbie Ray, Logan Gilbert and George Kirby. The Blue Jays boast Alek Manoah, Kevin Gausman and now Chris Bassitt. The White Sox are hoping for rebounds from Lucas Giolito and/or Mike Clevinger to round out a rotation that features Dylan Cease, Lance Lynn and Michael Kopech.
This is all on paper and pitchers regress and surprise every year — maybe Cody Morris will emerge as a reliable force for Cleveland, for instance — but the teams standing in the Guardians’ way in the American League all employ starters who wouldn’t seem out of place on a mound in October. It’s one thing for the Guardians to hope Civale or Plesac enjoys a revival, but it might behoove them to have another near-certainty at the top or middle of the rotation. They can acquire that missing piece in July if they prefer, and they should have the trade ammunition to outbid other contenders.
Since it’s Hall of Fame season, are the Cleveland Guardians invested at all in a player like CC Sabathia making the Hall of Fame, or maybe more to the point Kenny Lofton? If/when either of them get into the Hall, would they retire their numbers? Would there be a ceremony? — James K.
Sabathia, who will land on the ballot in two years alongside Ichiro Suzuki, is expected to enter Cooperstown one day as a member of the Yankees. He spent 11 seasons in New York and eight in Cleveland. I’d imagine the Guardians would host a ceremony for him during that summer, though. He maintains ties to the organization and visited a few times last season. Sabathia, by the way, is one of 19 pitchers in the sport’s history to total at least 3,000 strikeouts. The only members of that club not in the Hall of Fame: Curt Schilling, Max Scherzer (that’ll change), Verlander (that’ll change) and Roger Clemens.
Lofton would have to be elected via a committee. (And he’s deserving of strong consideration, despite falling off the ballot in his initial year in 2013.) He’d certainly represent Cleveland, having spent 10 of his 17 seasons with the franchise (and no more than one season anywhere else).
Induction into the Hall is typically the requirement for the club to retire a number. Cleveland’s retired numbers: Earl Averill (3), Lou Boudreau (5), Larry Doby (14), Mel Harder (18), Bob Feller (19), Frank Robinson (20), Bob Lemon (21), Jim Thome (25) and Jackie Robinson (42). Only Harder, who pitched for the team for 20 seasons, is not in the Hall.
Any update on Daniel Espino’s health? — David W.
Espino returned to his native Panama after the season to go through some physical therapy. He’s expected to travel to Arizona to complete his offseason training, and the organization expects him “to be fully ready for spring training,” according to team president Chris Antonetti.
As we head to 2023, anything worth sharing on what you’re going to be doing for the site in the coming year? Any changes worth sharing on Guards coverage? — Bill L.
A year ago, we were mired in the early stages of a soul-sucking, 99-day lockout. When it ended, there were debates about the name change, Ramírez’s future and how many Bradley Zimmer at-bats we would have to endure. It was, admittedly, a tricky time to cover this team. (And my wife and I had our first child on the way, which added a personal layer of complexity.)
That’s all in the past. Spring training is around the corner, incredibly, and the Guardians are carrying well-earned, lofty expectations. They busted onto the scene last year, surprising anyone who didn’t have a locker in that clubhouse. But now it’s time we really get to know these new faces. I’m a planner, and I can honestly say I’ve never had more projects, more fun ideas and big swings mapped out ahead of a new year. Yes, we’ll finish up the Cleveland Baseball Countdown that fell victim to the immediate shift from lockout to new season last spring. I have several trips booked for early in the year to tell stories that need to be told. We’ll of course analyze and argue about the roster until we can all say Pilkington 10 times fast. More than anything, I’ll continue to do my best to take you behind the scenes, to shed light on the humans on and off the field, and on the thought processes behind every decision on the diamond and in the front office. Whether I’m doing so from Arizona, Seattle for the season opener, Progressive Field or anywhere in between, the goal is to ensure you’re reading coverage you can’t get elsewhere.
Talk to you in the new year.
Note: There were about 200 questions submitted for this mailbag. If I didn’t answer yours, you can always email me at zmeisel@theathletic.com. Sometimes I avoid including certain questions because I plan to tackle them at length in a separate, future article.