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‘What are we even doing here?’: Around baseball, players raise concerns about pitchers’ use of foreign substances
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By Ken Rosenthal and Brittany Ghiroli May 21, 2021 281
Riding the bus back to the team hotel after a recent game, members of a National League club passed around the ball from a rookie’s first hit. The players were stunned by how sticky the ball was — how hours after the ball was taken out of play, they were still picking glue strands off the rawhide.

“What are we even doing here?” a pitcher on that team said.

Many in the game are asking the same question about pitchers who illegally apply foreign substances to baseballs. The problem remains rampant even in a season when Major League Baseball says it is taking additional steps to enforce rules prohibiting such conduct, including examining balls from every pitcher.

“Everyone has swing-and-miss stuff from top to bottom, and it’s not because everyone got so much better in the last three years,” Phillies catcher J.T. Realmuto told reporters on Wednesday. “To be honest, that stuff helps a lot.

“Let the hitters take steroids and (pitchers) can do that (to keep pace).”

Realmuto was obviously being facetious. But just as the league was slow to crack down on the use of performance-enhancing drugs, some within the sport believe it is reacting too deliberately to the elevated spin rates and improved performances of many pitchers in recent seasons.

The current enforcement is minimal, in part because umpires generally act only when prompted by managers, and managers hesitate to single out opposing pitchers when pitchers on their own staff also might be breaking the rules. The league says that before fundamentally changing the system, it needs more time to collect data from its increased monitoring and inspection efforts as well as the spin-rate analysis outlined in a March 23 memo to clubs. Those efforts might not produce tangible results until 2022, though discipline this season is possible.

Seven weeks into the season, however, no discipline has been announced. If warnings have been issued, they have not been made public. The frustration — even among some pitchers — is palpable.

“It is getting out of hand,” said an American League pitcher, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “When you watch some of these guys from the dugout you can almost hear the ball ripping out of their hands. Guys are doing stuff now that you can’t do to a baseball with just your hand. You just can’t.”

The use of illegal foreign substances by many pitchers is not the only factor driving the sport’s declining offensive numbers, which include a .236 batting average and 24.1 percent strikeout rate, both of which would be records over a full season, and six no-hitters in the season’s first seven weeks, already just one shy of the major-league mark.

The power-driven approaches of hitters, use of pitchers in shorter bursts, rise of defensive shifts and deadening of the ball this season all are potentially contributing to the pitching dominance. And while the analogy between illegal substances and PEDs is not precise — both pitchers and hitters benefited from PEDs — some players see similarities in the competitive advantages users gain.

The problem, those players say, has only grown worse since Dodgers right-hander Trevor Bauer, then with Cleveland, first used The Steroid Era as a comparison in 2018. (Bauer remains part of this conversation, albeit from a different perspective. Less than one week into the current season, umpires collected multiple balls he threw against the A’s that had visible markings and were sticky, sources said.)

“It’s pretty frustrating picking up a foul ball and seeing it covered in sticky stuff,” Marlins outfielder Adam Duvall said. “At the end of the day, you would like to know that you are on a level playing field with your opponent. That doesn’t seem to be the case at times.”

Said the NL pitcher, who spoke on condition of anonymity, “It’s the same thing as (Sammy) Sosa and (Mark) McGwire bopping all those home runs. Everyone knew, at least everyone on the inside, knew what they were doing. And then you have guys who are like, ‘I better do something or I won’t have a job.’ And then you have guys who are on the fence like, ‘Will I sell my soul for ‘X’ amount of money?’ And a lot of them are going to say yes.

“The league talks about a level playing field, but how is this level?”

Not long ago, certain players lodged similar complaints about PEDs. The league first banned the drugs in 1991, when former commissioner Fay Vincent issued a memo saying the use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by players was “strictly prohibited.” But the league, in conjunction with the Major League Baseball Players Association, did not begin testing for PEDs until 2003 and did not institute penalties until 2005, allowing the development of what admitted user Alex Rodriguez called a “loosey-goosey era.”

A similar culture exists around pitchers who, in clear defiance of MLB’s Rule 6.02, apply illegal substances to baseballs. Some merely are trying to improve their grips. But others are seeking better spin rates and results.

“Most players, if you go into a clubhouse and you see a pitcher putting stuff on his glove, the hitters give him a hard time but that’s it,” another AL pitcher said. “They don’t like it but they won’t stop it. They know everyone is doing it and they want to win. What good is only stopping your guy from cheating? Makes no sense.”

Royals general manager Dayton Moore said even hitters agree that baseballs require a certain level of tackiness for pitchers to control their pitches. No longer, however, is this simply a question of safety for hitters, who are getting hit by pitches at a record pace in part because pitchers are throwing with greater velocity and better movement. Certain advanced substances help produce greater spin rates than, say, a combination of sunscreen and rosin.

Since the start of the Statcast era in 2015, the percentage of fastballs thrown with spin rates over 2400 RPM has nearly doubled, from 18 percent to 35 percent. The NL pitcher, like others before him, said it is impossible to achieve such dramatic increases in spin rate naturally. Hall of Fame pitcher Jim Palmer and White Sox hitting coach Frank Menechino are among those who said the substances also help enhance movement on breaking balls.



“They are using stuff, I think it is very obvious,” said Palmer, a member of the Orioles broadcast team. “It’s blatant even if you can’t see them going to their forearm or anything every second. I hit 38 guys in (3,948) innings and now people are saying you need it for grip? It’s an excuse, we all know that. They are using it to be better.

“All of a sudden, you can take any pitcher and increase his spin rates. We have to look at why that’s happening, if (league officials) want to change it. Do they want to change it? Or does everyone just like no-hitters?”

The blatant examples are the ones that bother baseball people most.

“I’ve seen three or four cases this year where I’m like, ‘Are you s——- me?’” said Menechino, the hitting coach for the second-highest scoring team in the majors. “If MLB is watching this, how are they missing this one?”

The league, before it acts on any violations, first wants to understand the depth of the problem, MLB officials said. In his March 23 memo, MLB senior vice president of on-field operations Michael Hill informed clubs that the league would inspect and document balls taken out of play this season and conduct spin-rate analysis on pitchers who are suspected of using foreign substances.

The memo stated that players are subject to discipline “regardless of whether evidence of the violation has been discovered during or following a game.” But the league, knowing any suspension would be subject to challenge from the union, wants to gather as much evidence as possible to build potential cases against pitchers it suspects of using illegal substances.

“The Central office data collection is ongoing,” an MLB official said.

A long-term solution would be to develop a tackier ball that produces adequate grip, in theory eliminating the need for pitchers to use foreign substances. The league took partial control of the baseball manufacturing process when it partnered in 2018 with a private equity firm co-founded by Padres owner Peter Seidler to purchase its longtime baseball and helmet supplier, the Rawlings Sporting Goods Company. A new ball, however, likely would take years to test and develop.

Meanwhile, another season might elapse before MLB adopts meaningful change in enforcement.

“So, what, we’re taking a pause on this? We’re going to not enforce the rules for a year?” the NL pitcher asked. “What about guys trying to get paid? What about guys fighting for jobs?

“You have hitters who are like, ‘How the f— are we supposed to hit this?’ For big-league hitters to admit defeat is rare. But when you have a guy throwing a fastball that rises 4 feet or a slider that looks like a strike and drops off another foot, it’s like video game stuff. You think (hitters) are just complaining, but then you look at the video and it’s like, holy s—, how are they supposed to hit this? I don’t care what your approach is at the plate, you don’t have a chance.”

The Royals’ Moore, taking a broader view, said grip was a major concern early in the season during games played in cold, dry weather, leaving some pitchers with a “helpless feeling” when they could not get a proper feel for the ball. However, Moore added, “It is wrong to cheat. If the rules say it’s illegal, then it ought to be enforced.”

Palmer said, “The weather doesn’t matter. You have whatever stuff they are using, and the movement is there. It’s there every night. Everyone is doing it.”

That perception is a problem in the view of one AL pitcher, just as it was during the height of the Steroid Era when some people used the same broad brush to portray all players as PED users. Not all pitchers are cheating, the pitcher said. But now, the accomplishments of even the innocent are occasionally in question.

“It’s not right. It’s just not right,” the pitcher said. “It’s not good for the game.”

Realmuto, in his meeting with reporters Wednesday, cited a number of reasons why offense might be down, including pitchers throwing harder and with more break than ever before.

But he added, “I think the substance issue is real,” then elaborated when asked what suggestions he might make to boost offense, other than lowering or moving back the mound.

“I would just crack down on the substances they use on their hands,” Realmuto said. “You see pitchers out there all game long doing this (touching his mitt). They’re not doing anything about it. I think if they cracked down on that, that would honestly help the offense a lot, get the ball in play more often and (result in) less swing and missing.”

He sees pitchers constantly going to their gloves?

“All the time.”

Until the league starts enforcing its rules, there is no reason to hide it.

— The Athletic’s Matt Gelb and Eno Sarris contributed to this story
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Excerpt from an article from Jim Bowden on trade possibilities:

What is the best and most realistic opportunity for the Indians to trade from their pitching riches for a decent outfield bat? — John M.

The Indians are in contention because of their pitching, and I wouldn’t trade from it for a bat; instead, they should use the depth of their farm system and a major-league player such as infielder/outfielder Amed Rosario as trade bait.

Targeting players such as Anthony Santander of the Orioles, Gregory Polanco of the Pirates and Nick Senzel of the Reds would make sense for the Indians. All three have been injury prone, so the trade cost probably would be in the range of what the Indians front office would be willing to do.
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Indians face a starting pitching crisis as Zach Plesac’s injury puts rotation in uncharted territory
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By Zack Meisel May 25, 2021 36
The Cleveland Indians, the team with the vaunted starting pitching factory, the organization armed with warlocks at every affiliate who design sliders and changeups and who snap their fingers to increase their pupils’ fastball velocity and who sprinkle fairy dust upon them as they graduate to the big leagues, are running out of starting pitching.

It all happened rather quickly — a trade of Trevor Bauer here, a trade of Corey Kluber and Mike Clevinger there, the inclusion of Carlos Carrasco in the Francisco Lindor trade, a few injuries, some growing pains and, voila, there’s enough of a shortage to sound the alarms at the laboratory.

The assembly line can only produce at a particular pace, but the demand in the Cleveland dugout — for someone, anyone, who can offer four or five innings — has never been greater. Or, it sure seems that way. The Indians haven’t experienced this degree of pitching desperation since at least 2015 when they turned to Toru Murata, Shaun Marcum, Bruce Chen and TJ House to cover turns in the rotation.

Zach Plesac is the latest casualty, jettisoned to the injured list after suffering a non-displaced fracture of his right thumb while …

… swinging a bat? Nope.

… snagging a line drive? Nope.

… “aggressively ripping off his shirt and he caught it on his chair”? Ding ding ding.

That’s how manager Terry Francona described the scene of the crime. Never imitate Hulk Hogan seems to be the lesson here.

Plesac underwent an X-ray during the Indians’ win over the Tigers on Monday. He’ll visit Dr. Thomas Graham, the same doctor who performed Roberto Pérez’s finger surgery earlier this month, in Dayton.

That leaves the Indians with a rotation of Shane Bieber, Aaron Civale and … pray for a weather folly. (Yeah, things are so bleak there isn’t even a clever rotation rhyme scheme.)

The Indians need a starter for Wednesday in Detroit. They need a starter for Friday at home against the Blue Jays. They need two starters for a doubleheader against the White Sox on Monday in Cleveland, though one of those two could be whoever starts Wednesday. And they need Bieber and Civale to not feel the pressure of 1,000 anvils resting on their shoulders each time they step onto the rubber.

“We’re trying to do one thing at a time,” Francona said.

The team optioned Triston McKenzie to Triple A over the weekend for what Francona described as a much-needed reset and a chance to “build from the ground up.” Well, that visit to Columbus — he is, for now, slated to start there Wednesday — might be brief.

Logan Allen was demoted to Triple A after a series of truncated, ineffective outings, and his performance has plummeted ever since. He hasn’t pitched for Columbus in a week. When asked whether Allen was dealing with an injury, the Indians front office only said, “We’re currently evaluating him.”

Jean Carlos Mejía will factor into the equation — either as a starter or a multi-inning option out of the bullpen. Francona hinted that Mejía could pitch in some capacity Wednesday. Eli Morgan and Kirk McCarty are also options at Triple A. Scott Moss exited his most recent start after two innings because of an injury. Sam Hentges can exhale for a bit as his spot in the rotation seems secure for the foreseeable future. He fared better Monday in a five-inning effort against the Tigers.

The Indians handed Adam Plutko to the Orioles at the end of spring training because they believed they had their bases covered with McKenzie, Allen and Cal Quantrill. Two months later, McKenzie and Allen are in Columbus and Quantrill is in the bullpen. Quantrill hasn’t tossed more than 39 pitches in any outing this season. The Indians wanted to clear a 40-man roster spot so they could retain non-roster invitees Bryan Shaw (who has been exceptional), Oliver Pérez (who was cut loose last month) and Ben Gamel (who was dumped a few weeks ago).

Instead of granting their prospects opportunities to develop at their own pace, the Indians are being forced to rush them to the majors, where they must attempt to develop while pitching to Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Tim Anderson. And now they’re running out of available arms altogether.

“They’re not growing on trees,” Francona said. Once they get past the White Sox series next week, the Indians will benefit from three off days in a span of eight days.

The Indians aren’t the first team to deal with a starting pitching crisis. It’s just the first instance of this happening in a long time to the organization with the heralded pitching development pipeline.
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And of course:

Cleveland Indians recall Triston McKenzie for one-and-done start against the Tigers

By Paul Hoynes, cleveland.com
DETROIT -- Sometimes you’re gone, but you’re not really gone. Just ask Triston McKenzie.

The Indians optioned McKenzie to Class AAA Columbus on Saturday after he allowed six runs on two hits in 3 1/3 innings Friday night in a 10-0 loss to the Twins. But after Tuesday’s 4-1 win over the Tigers, manager Terry Francona announced that McKenzie will start Wednesday night, taking his regular turn in the rotation, before being optioned to Columbus once again.




Francona was going to use a bullpen game on Wednesday to fill McKenzie’s spot in the rotation. Zach Plesac, however, was diagnosed with a broken right thumb so the Indians were able to bring back McKenzie without him spending the required 10 days in the minors. The move will become official on Wednesday when Plesac is placed on the injured list.

McKenzie will face Detroit’s Jose Urena Wednesday at Comerica Park. McKenze (1-3, 6.89) leads the big leagues with 30 walks allowed, which was one of the reasons he was optioned to Columbus. He also has struck out 44 batters in eight appearances, including seven starts.

After McKenzie’s start, the Indians still have to figure out how to fill two holes in the rotation. Plesac’s turn will come up Friday when the Indians open a three-game series against Toronto at Progressive Field.
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The Indians’ evolving rotation plan for tricky road ahead: Meisel’s Musings
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By Zack Meisel 7h ago 23
DETROIT — When Triston McKenzie learned he would start for the Indians at Comerica Park on Wednesday, manager Terry Francona joked with him: “You did an unbelievable job making adjustments that quickly.”

McKenzie continues to pinball between Triple A and the majors, but he hasn’t actually started a game for Columbus. (In fact, he has still never pitched at the Triple-A level.)

Friday: Started against the Twins, then optioned to Columbus

Wednesday: Recalled from Columbus, started against the Tigers, then optioned to Columbus

Monday: He will be re-recalled from Columbus to start against the White Sox

“I think that’s what makes baseball so beautiful,” McKenzie said. “You just have to roll with the punches, day in and day out.”

McKenzie could wind up making three consecutive starts that precede a demotion to the minors. But that’s the degree of roster manipulation the Indians are executing as they attempt to survive with a starting rotation of Shane Bieber, Aaron Civale and a collection of three-dimensional question marks. If there’s a loophole, they’ll find it. Francona, president of baseball operations Chris Antonetti and general manager Mike Chernoff have frequently conferenced this week to sort out their evolving pitching plans.

Eli Morgan is scheduled to make his major-league debut Friday night against the Blue Jays at Progressive Field. Francona hinted that Morgan will also start Wednesday against the White Sox, a series-ending afternoon tilt before a sorely needed off day that should allow the club to recoup.

Here is the tentative starting pitching plan:

Friday: Morgan

Saturday: Sam Hentges

Sunday: Civale

Monday: McKenzie and TBD

Tuesday: Bieber

Wednesday: Morgan

“We’re certainly being tested,” Antonetti said.

The challenge will become more daunting as the team plays seven games in six days against the No. 2- and No. 6-ranked offenses in the league. The White Sox lead the majors in on-base percentage. The Blue Jays have socked the second-most home runs. This will be no easy task for a bunch of pitchers trying to find their big-league footing.

The method behind some of the Indians’ madness …

• They can add McKenzie to the roster as the 27th man for their doubleheader Monday and circumvent the rule that prevents demoted players from rejoining the team right away. That rule didn’t apply Wednesday, either, because McKenzie was replacing an injured player (Zach Plesac).

• Francona met with Cal Quantrill earlier this week to discuss stretching him out. Quantrill relieved McKenzie on Wednesday and threw a season-high 42 pitches. It wouldn’t be surprising if Quantrill started the other game Monday. Keep in mind, the doubleheader will consist of a pair of seven-inning contests so that slightly lessens the load on the pitching staff.

• Jean Carlos Mejía remains on the big-league roster, and could provide multiple innings of relief in support of Morgan or Hentges this weekend.

Is your head spinning yet?

“If you have enough conversations and enough ideas, you start to gain some clarity,” Francona said. “We could do this or this or this. And then, what do we think is in our best interest? And then, if this happens, we could do this. I just think the more you talk, the easier it is to make a decision when you need to.”

One ramification of having to carry all of these pitchers: It has left the Indians with a short bench, especially with Amed Rosario and Jordan Luplow dealing with injuries. Francona indicated Rosario could return to the lineup Friday. He was scratched Thursday because of a bruised hand suffered on a hit-by-pitch a couple of days earlier. That left the club with a bench of Jake Bauers and René Rivera on Thursday, and resulted in Yu Chang batting sixth and Bradley Zimmer joining the roster and starting against a lefty.

Once the Indians emerge from this difficult stretch, they’ll arrive at an oasis on the schedule. They have off days June 3, June 7 and June 10, with three games in Baltimore and two in St. Louis sandwiched in between.

Quote to note
“That’s good company. I’m honored by that company. You know what, don’t tell Grover that.” — Terry Francona, who earned his 700th win as Cleveland’s manager Thursday. Francona trails only Lou Boudreau (728) and Mike Hargrove (721) on the franchise leaderboard.

Final Thoughts
1. With Plesac sidelined with a non-displaced thumb fracture — OK, but you should’ve seen the other guy, err, chair — the lack of rotation stability places a bunch of pressure on Bieber and Civale. The Indians will lean on the bullpen when Morgan or McKenzie or Hentges or whomever else take the mound. They can’t afford a truncated outing from either of their two horses. Bieber logged seven dominant innings in Detroit on Thursday. Two days earlier, Civale pitched into the ninth.

“I feel like it’s a challenge that we can confront head-on,” Bieber said.

2. Bieber threw 45 curveballs Thursday, and Tigers hitters struggled to convert them into anything beneficial. They swung and missed at 13, fouled off eight, and another nine resulted in called strikes.

Bieber said he struggled to command the curveball in his previous start against the Twins. He had no such trouble Thursday as he held Detroit hitless for the first six frames, thanks to what he described as “a north-south attack.”

Consider how he stymied Niko Goodrum on consecutive pitches in the seventh inning.

When he stepped onto the mound for the seventh, was Bieber thinking no-hitter?

“Oh yeah,” he said. “It crossed my mind stepping out there for the third. No, kind of a joke. But not really. Generally, I give up a hit in, like, the first inning and get it over with nice and early. I tried to extend it as long as possible.”

3. McKenzie was erratic as he warmed up in the bullpen Wednesday, the result, he said, of overthinking.

“I wanted to make a good impression,” he said. “I wanted to go out there and just reset.”

When he walked into the dugout following his pregame session, he reminded himself that no matter how he fared, his itinerary wouldn’t change. He was bound for Triple A, regardless. (Well, sort of. He learned after the game Wednesday that he would pitch again for Cleveland on Monday.)

McKenzie’s struggles this season have stemmed from a similar pattern: falling behind in the count, then nibbling and throwing predictable fastballs that either miss the strike zone or get obliterated.

On Wednesday, he demonstrated a more effective pitch mix, with only 52 percent fastballs instead of relying on the pitch about two-thirds of the time. He turned to his off-speed stuff early in the count to surprise hitters, and his slider generated four whiffs and two called strikes on only 11 pitches.

“It was refreshing to know it was still in there,” McKenzie said.

4. One of the most prolific pitches in baseball this season: Is it Emmanuel Clase’s 101 mph cutter? Nope. Is it James Karinchak’s sharp curveball? Sure, that’s up there, but there’s an offering that’s even more lethal.

How about the cutter wielded by a 33-year-old reclamation project?

Here’s how opponents have fared against Bryan Shaw’s go-to pitch, which he throws 76 percent of the time: .025 batting average, .050 slugging percentage.

Shaw has thrown 252 cutters this season — 127 to righties and 125 to lefties. The pitch has induced a ton of weak contact, some swings and misses, and has resulted in only one base hit.
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Jason Lloyd:

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Do you think the Indians will be buyers or sellers this trade deadline? Who do you see them potentially trading/trading for? — Andrew O.

If they continue to hang around the playoff chase, they’ll be buyers. They could use everything from a first baseman to an outfielder and even a starter — but the trade prices on pitching are typically high at the deadline. I wouldn’t expect anything crazy such as the Andrew Miller trade from 2016, just something to supplement what they already have. If they fall out of contention and become sellers, Cesar Hernandez and Eddie Rosario are the most obvious to go, along with maybe a reliever. The Indians don’t have many pieces to sell.

Most “can’t-miss” prospect for Cleveland outside of Nolan Jones? — Carson M.

First of all, there’s no such thing as can’t-miss, and that certainly applies to Jones as well. I’m eager to see him in the majors, but be mindful he has struck out 11 times in 18 at-bats against lefties at Columbus. And in case you think that’s an aberration, he hit .135 and struck out 26 times in 52 at-bats against lefties in 2019. If you’re looking for another name, George Valera is at Lake County and still a couple of years away, but I’m anxious to see his swing in Cleveland.

Should the Indians consider going for a full rebuild? I know we are in second place, but it seems like we have two flat tires and the transmission is beginning to slip. I don’t see how this is sustainable. My thought is let’s see what we have down on the farm and play them. Move Caesar, Jose and the Rosarios. That is the path they took in 2010-12 and we built a championship team. — Andrew L.

They’re not far from a full rebuild. There’s no question their division, Chicago’s injuries and Minnesota’s derailment have helped keep them in contention. It does feel like they’re barely hanging on at times. But Jose Ramirez is on an incredibly team-friendly deal with options for two more years and it makes no sense to trade him at this point. If they do fall, Eddie Rosario and Cesar Hernandez are prime trade candidates. No sense rushing into that at this point, however. Let the kids play, develop the young talent and see where it leads. Why rip off a Band-Aid before you know if there’s a wound underneath?

It seems the Dolans are preparing the Indians to be sold. Low payroll, new name and they are looking for an “investor” (but who’s going to buy a long-term minority share of a small-market team)? Is this a possibility? I love the management but the Dolans can’t compete financially with most owners. — Arjun K.

Yes, I think it’s only a matter of time before the Dolan family sells. I’ve thought that for a while now and written it a few times now. Zack Meisel and I are getting close to publishing a series on the state of the Indians. That includes a deep look at ownership, too.
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He's the hitting version of Triston! :lol:

To add to this brief article I'd say the Indians ARE in their own version of a full rebuild.

See Oakland and Tampa for very similar visions of how to run a team. And see Detroit, Kansas City (now finally getting respectable at least) Baltimore etc for examples of teams that THINK tearing it down to the studs is effective but isn't AND isn't fair to fans.

I can honestly say that fans going to Cleveland games have a legitimate chance of their team winning each and every time they go. The same can't be said for those "genius" full rebuilds teams.

As you said civ - this of course is not a real contender but rather an OVERACHIEVER. And I am proud of that. But you know as well as I do the minors is legitimately loaded and another contender run is around the corner. Kudos for staying viable in the meantime.
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minors are bottom heavy although they are pushing some guys to AAA and AA who may be "too young" for those levels, e.g. Arias in Columbus, Naylor in Akron who is not hitting AT ALL. All those guys farther down have high ceilings but as Baseball America describes it "higher risk" of not achieving them.

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civ - due to the minors being shrunken that is happening everywhere. So, the new normal is different. Those guys, in the new minors, may now be right where they belong.

And it can be argued they could have been moved up somewhat quicker than they traditionally were anyways.

These days kids play highly sophisticated youth ball etc.

As a fantasy player I can tell you kids (Tatis Jr. Vladdy, Bichette and pitchers too, we have some of those etc) are often moved quicker nowadays and are totally ready
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What we have learned about the Indians through one-third of the season


By Zack Meisel 52m ago 2
CLEVELAND — A tuxedo-wearing Terry Francona tried to keep tabs on the Indians’ doubleheader Sunday as he attended his daughter’s wedding on a rainy, blustery day in Newport, R.I.

The manager checked on the first game during family pictures and preparations for the 6 p.m. ceremony. When the Blue Jays seized the lead in the second tilt, Francona buried his phone in his pocket and reminded himself to enjoy the occasion. But after a quick glance, he noticed the Indians had rallied to pull even.

As the family gathered to enter the church, the Indians had loaded the bases in the bottom of the seventh, with José Ramírez standing at the plate as the potential hero. Francona waited until everyone’s attention was diverted elsewhere and he snuck one, final peek as Ramírez delivered a walk-off sacrifice fly.

An exhale. Some vows. And then some dancing.

The world’s foremost scientists couldn’t explain how an oft-inept lineup, an ever-changing starting rotation and a roster short on experience have produced a winning record through the first third of the season. But whenever this team flirts with disaster, it seems to demonstrate some resiliency, whether in its last at-bat, its last crack at thwarting a series sweep, or both. It makes it difficult to turn away, even when things appear bleak — or when the wedding procession has commenced.

“There is a lot of frustration,” Francona said. “We’re not getting as many hits as we want, things like that, and it’s tough sometimes. But as long as you keep playing, you have a chance, and they’ve proven that time and time again.”

There’s plenty we still don’t know about the 2021 Cleveland Indians. But, two months into the season, what have we learned?

Developing young players at the big-league level while also attempting to contend is no easy task.
It’s an assignment the organization has brought upon itself, of course. But the Indians employ the youngest roster in the league, and where there’s inexperience, costly defensive blunders and growing pains will follow.

“We’re doing more teaching during the game than we probably have in a while,” Francona said, referencing a play in the first game of the doubleheader against the White Sox on Monday, in which a pickoff attempt resulted in a Chicago run as Owen Miller and Yu Chang fixated on the runner trapped between first and second instead of the one scampering toward the plate.

The bullpen is the team’s strength.
It starts with James Karinchak, who has struck out 43 of the 93 hitters he has faced, though the White Sox did conquer his seemingly unhitable fastball/curveball combination on Monday. Karinchak has limited opponents to a .101 batting average. Before some struggles over his last four outings, he had held hitters to a .045/.149/.106 slash line.

Karinchak, Emmanuel Clase and Bryan Shaw have formed a dominant, back-end trio. Clase, still considered a rookie, owns a 1.14 ERA. No pitcher averages a higher velocity on their heater, though hitters have swung and missed far more often when he tosses his 91 mph slider.

Shaw possesses one of the league’s most effective pitches, at least to this point. Opponents are batting .024 against his cutter (the lowest mark against any pitch in baseball, with at least 25 results), and he throws it 76.3 percent of the time.

Nick Sandlin, another rookie, has earned some high-leverage opportunities. The slider-slinging sidearmer has limited hard contact and racked up 13 strikeouts in 11 innings. Opponents have yet to convert his slider into a base hit.

The AL Central is their friend.
The Twins aren’t the old Twins. The Royals aren’t the April version of the Royals. Only the White Sox sport a positive run differential. The Indians are 20-12 against their AL Central adversaries, who stack up as follows entering June:

White Sox: 33-21
Indians: 29-24
Royals: 26-26
Twins: 22-31
Tigers: 22-32

Only the White Sox and Indians own winning records against teams with winning records. They have battled each other, splitting their 10 meetings. Those clashes have included a couple of extra-inning affairs, a walk-off victory and a no-hitter.

The rotation is, um, under construction.
The triumvirate of Shane Bieber, Aaron Civale and Zach Plesac can suitably serve as the foundation of the rotation, provided they’re healthy and the No. 4 and 5 spots aren’t complete black holes. At the moment, though, it’s just Bieber, Civale and a bunch of tape, yarn and paperclips preventing the rotation from collapsing.

For a week, the Indians have had Thursday circled on the calendar. It’s the first of three days off in a span of eight days, and it will grant them a chance to regroup and evaluate their starting pitching options.

Triston McKenzie never actually had an opportunity to tinker with his in-game approach at Triple A, but he has authored a pair of outings since his initial demotion that reflect precisely what the team asked of him. During his Monday start, he set a franchise record with eight consecutive strikeouts, eclipsing Corey Kluber’s mark of seven, recorded seven years ago.

“I was getting ahead of guys,” McKenzie said. “It was just keeping them guessing.”

Cal Quantrill, who followed the Carlos Carrasco program of maintaining a reliever’s mindset and warm-up plan, pushed his pitch count to 60 on Monday and mostly hushed Chicago’s boisterous bats. He could secure a spot in the rotation in the weeks ahead. Sam Hentges, Jean Carlos Mejía and Eli Morgan are options as well. After the off day Thursday, the Indians won’t need a fifth starter until June 15. They will, however, play a stretch of 30 games in 31 days heading into the All-Star break.

Shirts should be removed with the utmost caution.
Who knows how Plesac really suffered his fractured thumb, but if it was not by “aggressively ripping off his shirt and he caught it on his chair,” as Francona described, it’s hard to believe that would be the fake story they would hatch.

Most teams are susceptible to being no-hit this year, but the Indians are co-chairs of the No-Hit Club.
It’s not the sort of after-school gathering the cool kids are lining up to join. The Indians, Rangers and Mariners have each been no-hit twice; no team in modern history has been silenced three times in a season. So, it’s a battle to avoid a dubious distinction in a year in which no-hitters are as trendy as Beanie Babies or fidget spinners or José Ramírez’s airborne helmets.

As these noteworthy games keep popping up across the league, though, the Indians remain only on the wrong side of the equation. They still claim the league’s longest drought of throwing a no-hitter, as the spell has stretched beyond the 40-year mark.

Jake Bauers plus Yu Chang does not equal a formidable first baseman.
This duo has resembled the Casey Kotchman/Russ Canzler pairing more than Paul Sorrento/Herbert Perry platoon. Cleveland’s first basemen own a .181/.250/.263 slash line and a league-worst 43 wRC+ (100 represents league-average production). Bauers and Chang have totaled two home runs in 189 plate appearances.

And while it’s easy to pick on the first-base woes, it’s not the only source of offensive misery. Cleveland’s catchers have combined to log a .159/.246/.268 slash line.
Really, the plague has spread to every area of the diamond except third base. If anything, we have learned the Indians need some reinforcements/fresh faces, and sooner rather than later.

This lineup needs a healthy dose of José Ramírez and Franmil Reyes.
Carlos Rodón intentionally walked Ramírez with a runner on third and two outs on Monday. Surely, the Blue Jays would have issued an intentional walk to Ramírez in the final frame of Game 2 on Sunday had they not unintentionally walked every citizen of northeast Ohio in advance of that seventh-inning showdown.

Ramírez has been terrific by league standards and prolific by Cleveland hitting standards. He needs help, though, and without Reyes lurking behind him in the lineup, an offense lacking oomph to begin with is now nearly punchless.

Cleveland's offensive ranks
First base
.181 (29th)
.250 (29th)
.263 (29th)
Second base
.216 (24th)
.301 (21st)
.382 (13th)
Shortstop
.223 (23rd)
.283 (26th)
.352 (24th)
Outfield
.229 (21st)
.302 (24th)
.376 (21st)
Catcher
.159 (28th)
.246 (27th)
.268 (27th)
Amed Rosario did produce a .307/.365/.443 clip in May. Josh Naylor boasts an .802 OPS against righties. Eddie Rosario has flashed signs of life over the past two weeks. The Indians are 24-4 when they score four or more runs. They just need to, well, do that more frequently.

Josh Naylor is president of the team’s party-planning committee.
Naylor doesn’t complete any task in life at less than full speed, and that includes his role as architect of the walk-off celebration. After Cesar Hernandez socked a game-winning home run against the Twins two weeks ago, Naylor crashed the party by dumping the remnants of a cooler on the frenzied crowd and then launching that cooler halfway to third base. He followed a similar approach Sunday, leaving behind a trail of empty water bottles near home plate and then teaming with Rosario to douse Ramírez with water during his postgame interview. Naylor started to fill the cooler with water a couple of pitches before Ramírez even stepped into the batter’s box.

“We all knew (if) José’s coming up in that situation, it’s game over,” Naylor said. “We know how we’re going to prepare already. … I get excited for other people’s success. It’s incredible to see them be successful in huge moments and you want to celebrate them. You want to make them feel more special, that they’re on top of the moon.”
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So Tito was in Newport RI.

Brought bad weather with him.

I just got in Thursday from AZ. I live in Portsmouth, RI about 7 miles from Newport.

Freezing my ass off. I'm sure Tito was too.

I know Tito lives in Tucson so he's used to AZ weather. So am I. Saturday, Sunday and Monday daytime temps in the 40's wind and 3 inches of rain.

Good thing the wedding was indoors.

Finally, the sun today.

Tito left town.