Cleveland Sports Forum

I'm glad you finally came out of hiding and took me off your ignore list

Have to take you off ignore when Chris Perez comes out and proves you and many others completely wrong.

Instead of admitting you were wrong you make excuses and question how I feel about Perez. Where did I say I feel differently about Perez ? I told you he disagreed with you and others.

Then TFISC comes out and mentions that Shapiro hired Acta. Not sure what that has to do with this conversation either but I guess that is easier then saying that I was right too.

Stat of the day for the season finale: At the halfway point of the season, the Indians were 42-39. On that same day, Western Division champion Oakland was 41-42.

Then TFISC comes out and mentions that Shapiro hired Acta. Not sure what that has to do with this conversation either but I guess that is easier then saying that I was right too.

I'm not speaking for TFISC, but if I'm assuming properly, Shapiro, Dolan, AND Antonneti knew EXACTLY what they were getting when they hired Acta.

Manny Acta managed the Nationals for 2 1/2 years. Just like ballplayers, those bumpkins have a hard time judging talent.

Manny Acta had a certain style of managing in Washington. That never changed. He didn't stray that far from the path in Cleveland. He even admitted publicly that he was not about to change his managing style just a couple of weeks ago.

So! In a sense, Shapiro and Acta in the same sentence has a lot to do with this conversation.

All the problems within this organization should not be placed on Manny Acta's shoulders. Maybe, maybe one day, these guys will get it right. It's hard to believe though that after 10 years of practice we're right back at the beginning.

Joe. Bottom line is that Acta blows and will never be a MLB manager again. But you are lucky because he can manage in the beer and steroid leagues that you love to watch skanky women in.

Enjoy !

Wait, there's a league with skanky women? You were right to bring this to my attention.

Shapiro and Antonutty have to shoulder some blame for all of this.

Lets begin with managers, in an attempt to bring them up from below, save money, and probably exercise more control, they brought Wedge up. His Svengali like hold and hard headedness ruined us for many years. He stayed way too long. In the meanwhile we had guys directing our Minor League clubs to success while Shapiro fiddled. Oh and also we had Bud Black, Farrell, and Buck Showalter. Lets not also forget that they let a perfectly good manager and excellent hitting coach go in Charlie Manuel .

Now Acta being hired had to be a case of simply money.

But now they see Francona. He wont save any money to be sure but it gives them a little hold on Dolan in preserving their jobs a bit longer It goes something like this: "We have determined that what we have lacked is a proven winner to lead this team, someone whose track record goes way beyond anyone we have had."

What nonsense, all those Ivy League degrees do not help in Baseball but they sure help in the BS department.

Shapiro and Antonutty have to shoulder some blame for all of this.

Of course, they do. They basically have to accept all of the blame since they are in charge. I just feel that they may have a better chance with a better manager.

Lets begin with managers, in an attempt to bring them up from below, save money, and probably exercise more control, they brought Wedge up.

Exercise more control. Anyone that pays attention knows that Shapiro gives complete control to his manager over coaches and personnel. So there is no exercising more control.

Example. Did Shapiro or Wedge get rid of the pitching coach right before the season ? (Mike Brown)

Play with this if you are a Antonetti wannabe:

MLBTR's up-to-date list of 2013 MLB free agents is below. These are players who project to be eligible for free agency after the 2012 season. The player's 2013 age is in parentheses. Players on the 2012 free agent list are not on this one.


Updated 10-2-12

Catchers
Rod Barajas (37) - $3.5MM club option, no buyout
Henry Blanco (41) - $1.24MM mutual option
Chris Iannetta (30) - $5MM club option with a $250K buyout; player can void
Gerald Laird (33)
Russell Martin (30)
Brian McCann (29) - $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
Jose Molina (37) - $1.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
Mike Napoli (31)
Wil Nieves (35)
Miguel Olivo (34) - $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
Ronny Paulino (32)
A.J. Pierzynski (36)
Humberto Quintero (33)
David Ross (36)
Carlos Ruiz (34) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Brian Schneider (36)
Kelly Shoppach (33)
Chris Snyder (32) - $4MM mutual option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
Yorvit Torrealba (34)
Matt Treanor (37)

First basemen
Lance Berkman (36)
Jason Giambi (42)
Eric Hinske (35)
Aubrey Huff (36) - $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Casey Kotchman (30)
Adam LaRoche (33) - $10MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Carlos Lee (37)
James Loney (29)
Xavier Nady (34)
Mike Napoli (31)
Lyle Overbay (36)
Carlos Pena (35)
Ty Wigginton (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout

Second basemen
Jeff Baker (32)
Robinson Cano (30) - $15MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Mike Fontenot (33)
Orlando Hudson (35) - $8MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Maicer Izturis (32)
Kelly Johnson (31)
Adam Kennedy (37)
Jeff Keppinger (33)
Jose Lopez (29)
Ryan Theriot (33)

Shortstops
Jason Bartlett (33)
Yuniesky Betancourt (31)
Ronny Cedeno (30)
Stephen Drew (30) - $10MM mutual option with a $1.35MM buyout
Alex Gonzalez (35) - $4MM vesting option. Details here.
Cesar Izturis (33)
Jhonny Peralta (31) - $6MM club option with a $500K buyout
Marco Scutaro (37)
Omar Vizquel (46)

Third basemen
Miguel Cairo (39)
Eric Chavez (35)
Mark DeRosa (38)
Brandon Inge (36)
Maicer Izturis (32)
Jose Lopez (29)
Placido Polanco (37) - $5.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
Mark Reynolds (29) - $11MM club option with a $500K buyout
Scott Rolen (38)
Ty Wigginton (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
David Wright (30) - $16MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Kevin Youkilis (34) - $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout

Left fielders
Melky Cabrera (28)
Jonny Gomes (32)
Scott Hairston (33)
Josh Hamilton (32)
Eric Hinske (35)
Reed Johnson (36)
Andruw Jones (36)
Austin Kearns (33)
Carlos Lee (37)
Ryan Ludwick (34) - $5MM mutual option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
Juan Pierre (35)
Juan Rivera (34) - $4MM club option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
Delmon Young (27)

Center fielders
Alfredo Amezaga (35)
Rick Ankiel (33)
Michael Bourn (30)
Curtis Granderson (32) - $15MM club option with a $2MM buyout
Scott Hairston (33)
Angel Pagan (31)
Cody Ross (32)
Grady Sizemore (30)
B.J. Upton (28)
Shane Victorino (32)

Right fielders
Matt Diaz (35)
Kosuke Fukudome (36)
Torii Hunter (37)
Andruw Jones (36)
Ryan Ludwick (34) - $5MM mutual option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
Xavier Nady (34)
Juan Rivera (34) - $4MM club option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
Cody Ross (32)
Ichiro Suzuki (39)
Nick Swisher (32)

Designated hitters
Bobby Abreu (39)
Johnny Damon (39)
Travis Hafner (36) - $13MM club option with a $2.75MM buyout
Raul Ibanez (41)
Hideki Matsui (39)
David Ortiz (38)
Luke Scott (35) - $6MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Jim Thome (42)
Delmon Young (27)

Starting pitchers
Scott Baker (31) - $9.25MM club option
Erik Bedard (34)
Joe Blanton (32)
Bartolo Colon (40)
Aaron Cook (34)
Kevin Correia (32)
Jorge De La Rosa (32) - $11MM player option with a $1MM buyout
Ryan Dempster (36)
R.A. Dickey (38) - $5MM club option with a $300K buyout
Scott Feldman (29) - $9.25MM club option with a $600K buyout
Jeff Francis (32)
Gavin Floyd (30) - $9.5MM club option
Freddy Garcia (37)
Zack Greinke (28)
Jeremy Guthrie (34)
Rich Harden (31)
Dan Haren (32) - $15.5MM club option with a $3.5MM buyout
Roberto Hernandez (32) - $9MM club option
Tim Hudson (37) - $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Edwin Jackson (29)
Hiroki Kuroda (38)
Francisco Liriano (29)
Kyle Lohse (34)
Derek Lowe (40)
Paul Maholm (31) - $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Shaun Marcum (31)
Jason Marquis (34)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (32)
Brandon McCarthy (29)
Kevin Millwood (38)
Jamie Moyer (50)
Roy Oswalt (35)
Carl Pavano (37)
Jake Peavy (31) - $22MM club option with a $4MM buyout
Anibal Sanchez (29)
Jonathan Sanchez (30)
Ervin Santana (30) - $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
Joe Saunders (32)
James Shields (31) - $9MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Carlos Villanueva (29)
Chien-Ming Wang (33)
Kip Wells (36)
Randy Wolf (36)
Chris Young (34)
Carlos Zambrano (32)

Closers
Grant Balfour (35) - $4.5MM club option with a $350K buyout
Jonathan Broxton (29)
Matt Capps (29) - $6MM club option with a $250K buyout
Brandon League (30)
Ryan Madson (32) - $11MM mutual option with a $2.5MM buyout
Brett Myers (32) - $10MM vesting option with a $3MM buyout
J.J. Putz (36) - $6.5MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
Mariano Rivera (43)
Fernando Rodney (36) - $2.5MM club option with a $250K buyout
Joakim Soria (29) - $8MM club option with a $750K buyout
Jose Valverde (35)

Right-handed relievers
Jeremy Accardo (31)
Mike Adams (34)
Luis Ayala (35)
Miguel Batista (42)
Shawn Camp (37)
Todd Coffey (32) - $2.5M club option for 2013 with a $300K buyout
Francisco Cordero (38)
Juan Cruz (34)
Octavio Dotel (39) - $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Chad Durbin (35)
Kyle Farnsworth (37)
Jason Frasor (35)
Kevin Gregg (35)
Jason Grilli (36)
LaTroy Hawkins (38)
Clay Hensley (33)
Livan Hernandez (38)
Bobby Jenks (32)
Brad Lidge (36)
Matt Lindstrom (33) - $4MM club option with a $200K buyout
Derek Lowe (40)
Mark Lowe (30)
Brandon Lyon (33)
Guillermo Mota (39)
Juan Carlos Oviedo (29)
Vicente Padilla (35)
Brad Penny (35)
Joel Peralta (37)
Chad Qualls (34)
Ramon Ramirez (31)
Jon Rauch (34)
Francisco Rodriguez (31)
Takashi Saito (43)
Rafael Soriano (33) - $14MM player option or a $1.5MM buyout
Carlos Villanueva (29)
Jamey Wright (38)

Left-handed relievers
Jeremy Affeldt (34)
Sean Burnett (30) - $3.5MM mutual option with a $250K buyout
Tim Byrdak (39)
Randy Choate (37)
Pedro Feliciano (35) - $4.5MM club option
Brian Fuentes (37) - $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
Mike Gonzalez (35)
J.P. Howell (28)
Will Ohman (35)
Darren Oliver (42) - $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
J.C. Romero (37)
Hisanori Takahashi (38)

Joe. Bottom line is that Acta blows and will never be a MLB manager again. But you are lucky because he can manage in the beer and steroid leagues that you love to watch skanky women in.

You should get into touch with reality Rusty!. Major league baseball in the major contributor to beer and steroid users

Washington Nationals Fire Manny Acta

WASHINGTON (AP) –

So much for the plan to have Manny Acta’s patient optimism lead the Washington Nationals out of the doldrums. The abysmal won-loss record became too much to stomach, costing him his job at the All-Star break and adding another layer of instability to the worst team in baseball...................................

“The only problem with our team is that there’s not that sense of urgency to win,” Zimmerman said. “I think we’re better than what we’ve shown. Maybe this will wake some people up.

“Some people there are so used to losing they don’t have that fire to win. I think there needs to be accountability and some responsibility taken. We have the built-in excuse of being young, but we’re not that young anymore.”

Yet Acta always remained upbeat, preaching patience and emphasizing the importance of keeping an even keel — so much so that some wondered whether he needed to show more fire and perhaps be more critical publicly when his players made mistakes. Rizzo said Acta’s style made it more difficult for the team to recover from an 0-7 start.

“The response was from a slow start out of the gates, and then getting into a hole that they felt they couldn’t get out of, I think that was a big part of it,” Rizzo said. “And sometimes the even-keel-ness plays into that by not being a little more vocal, a little bit more hard-edged.”...........................

When Acta was hired in November 2006, he was 37, and no manager in the majors was younger. In his first season, Washington finished 73-89, fourth in the NL East and better than was expected. Acta even received votes for NL Manager of the Year.

But the team took a step backward in 2008, going 59-102, the worst record in the majors. Every coach except pitching coach Randy St. Claire was fired at the end of the season, and St. Claire was dismissed at the beginning of June.......................................

http://www.atssportsblog.com/washington ... manny-acta

[Everyone in baseball knew about Manny Acta's style of managing. Did Mark Shapiro and Co. have a major brain fart when they hired Acta? If Rizzo thought his team was unstable and in the doldrums, how would one catagorize Mark Shapiro and the Cleveland Indians organization after its ten year run at mediocrity? It just blows my mind that the bed partners continually fail to judge talent on ALL levels.]

Kind'a funny but sad at the same time to watch these guys continually set themselves up to fail and then blame the "other" guys.

But you are lucky because he can manage in the beer and steroid leagues that you love to watch skanky women in.

Something strange about a guy that would call some of the most beautiful women on earth....SKANKS !?!?



Maybe I'll have SKANK PRIDE week when the winterball season gets underway

Joe, go stick your head back in the toilet where it belongs.