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I don't get it. The ones in the movies were always so good.

ineptness in drafting and development

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We often complain about the drafts, but I wonder how much of it might in fact be in the development of the talent we do draft? I have no idea about such things, but obviously doing a poor job on the development would negate a good job on the first.

Do any of the pundits ever attempt to grade the organizations on development?

Hillbilly wrote:I don't get it. The ones in the movies were always so good.

LOL

Going to the game tonight, Gaylord?

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Tonight the Indians will honor pitching great Gaylord Perry as he is inducted into the Indians Hall of Fame. Join us as we celebrate his career with a pregame ceremony that will also include the induction of Jim Warfield and Jack Graney into the club's Distinguished Hall of Fame for non-uniformed personnel. Perry will also be on hand to throw out the ceremonial first pitch.

I think it's in the drafting. You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

But probably you CAN ruin a talented player. That's (lack of) development.

Hillbilly wrote: Perry will also be on hand to throw out the ceremonial first pitch.

No doubt coated with all manner of lubrication.

Quick Hits: Vizquel, Chavez, Hafner
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [August 10 at 4:48pm CST]

There are currently 52 starting pitchers on the disabled list, and it’s costing teams money as well as production, Yahoo's Jeff Passan reports (Twitter links). Executives estimate teams will spend $500MM on injured players this year, so let’s hope they took out some insurance. Here are today’s links...

Blue Jays infielder Omar Vizquel wants to manage at the MLB level next year, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. The 45-year-old 11-time Gold Glove winner said he'd like to manager close to his Seattle area home or for a team with which he has pre-existing ties. As Morosi points out, Mike Matheny and Robin Ventura are doing just fine this year despite their relative inexperience managing professionally.

rusty2 wrote:Quick Hits: Vizquel, Chavez, Hafner
By Ben Nicholson-Smith [August 10 at 4:48pm CST]

There are currently 52 starting pitchers on the disabled list, and it’s costing teams money as well as production, Yahoo's Jeff Passan reports (Twitter links). Executives estimate teams will spend $500MM on injured players this year, so let’s hope they took out some insurance. Here are today’s links...

Blue Jays infielder Omar Vizquel wants to manage at the MLB level next year, Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports reports. The 45-year-old 11-time Gold Glove winner said he'd like to manager close to his Seattle area home or for a team with which he has pre-existing ties. As Morosi points out, Mike Matheny and Robin Ventura are doing just fine this year despite their relative inexperience managing professionally.

I have no handy compass of how Omar Vizquel would do as Manager of The Cleveland Indians, but I darned sure would like to be a fan of the team if he is.

He's had 24 seasons playing and watching from the bench in both leagues.

He came up as a non-drafted free agent 28 years ago, and bounced through the minors before making it barely to The Bigs, and then reaching down to find another gear to stick around this long.


I like his resume.

VT'er wrote:But probably you CAN ruin a talented player. That's (lack of) development.

The Indians are very good at this see Phillips, Brandon.

Vizquel replaces Acta. I would go for that.

The problem with naming former Indians to manage the Tribe, like Alomar or Vizquel, is eventually players that were once revered become hated and run out of town for their incompetence.

Omar Vizquel and Sandy Alomar will be loved by the fans UNLESS they end up managing this sorry franchise.

seagull wrote:The problem with naming former Indians to manage the Tribe, like Alomar or Vizquel, is eventually players that were once revered become hated and run out of town for their incompetence.

Omar Vizquel and Sandy Alomar will be loved by the fans UNLESS they end up managing this sorry franchise.

Are we including Birdie Tebbetts, Joe Adcock, Ken Aspromonte and George Strickland and those types of former Indians who became managers?

I think in the last 60 years or so the only notable at the time Indians managers who were former Indian players were Frank Robinson and Mike Hargrove.

In my mind the key problem is Shapiro....

fkreutz wrote:In my mind the key problem is Shapiro....

In a word no. Shapiro was sent upstairs years ago to manage such gimmicks as snow days.