The Cleveland Indians’ young talent: Discussing who and what we’re watching the rest of 2021
CLEVELAND, OHIO - AUGUST 11: Second baseman Andres Gimenez #0 of the Cleveland Indians throws out Starling Marte #2 at first as Mark Canha #20 of the Oakland Athletics is out at second for a double play during the sixth inning at Progressive Field on August 11, 2021 in Cleveland, Ohio. (Photo by Jason Miller/Getty Images)
By Zack Meisel and Jason Lloyd Aug 13, 2021 38
CLEVELAND — A former Progressive Field press box denizen and I have had a running bit over the years in which we marvel at teams’ late-season lineups. Especially when a club isn’t contending, those batting orders can be full of unfamiliar names, a nine-player concoction you never would have predicted back in April.
The golden standard in recent Cleveland lore is September 2012, as Manny Acta — and, for the final week, Sandy Alomar Jr. — shuffled Cord Phelps, Vinny Rottino, Russ Canzler, Thomas Neal, Brent Lillibridge and others in and out of the lineup as the Indians sputtered to the finish line.
That team entered the season with postseason aspirations. In late July, it sat only a few games out of first place in the division. And by September, its cleanup hitter was as anonymous as the online commenters venting about the club’s downfall.
The 2021 season is nowhere near the dumpster fire the 2012 campaign was, but I surely wasn’t expecting to see Bradley Zimmer batting leadoff or Oscar Mercado hitting fifth at any point.
These last two months for the Indians are about development and learning who deserves to stick around. And with that, Jason, I pose this question to you: Which young player are you most intrigued to watch over the final stretch of this season?
Lloyd: I could go a couple of different directions here. I’ve been driving the Cal Quantrill train all season, and he’s been a different pitcher since the start of July. I’m curious to see his development continue. Triston McKenzie’s command issues have dissipated since returning from Columbus. I’m anxious to see him re-establish himself as a rotational piece entering 2022.
But if I have to pick one, I’ll take Andrés Giménez because we probably know less about him than all the others. He couldn’t keep the starting shortstop job after a lousy six weeks to start the season, but I think we all know Amed Rosario probably isn’t the long-term solution there.
Meisel: He’s more Ozzie Newsome than Ozzie Smith. More Ozzy Osbourne, even.
Lloyd: The Indians have a long line of shortstop prospects getting closer and closer to Cleveland, and Giménez just happens to be first up.
He missed two weeks in July with a hamstring injury, otherwise he might have been up sooner. Giménez can’t win the shortstop job for the next 10 years over the next seven weeks, but he can certainly position himself to stay at the head of the line entering 2022.
Meisel: Giménez has such an advantage being first in line. Rosario, Ernie Clement and Owen Miller are here, too, but none poses much of a long-term threat at shortstop. Gabriel Arias should be ready to debut next year, but it’s difficult to see where he fits without a transaction or two. Tyler Freeman could break through in 2022 as well, but his season-ending shoulder surgery didn’t help his timeline. Brayan Rocchio recently received a promotion to Double-A Akron, but he’s only 20. So, Giménez certainly has a chance to carve out a spot for at least the next year or so, if he can produce at the plate.
I can’t stop being intrigued by Miller. I know, I know. Fool me once — his first stint — shame on you. Fool me twice — his current stint — shame on me.
At every level of the minors, Miller has hit well (career .305 average, .818 OPS), registered an impressive strikeout rate and racked up a bunch of doubles. And through his first sample of major-league activity, he has done none of that. His slash line sits at .135/.198/.225.
It’s early in Miller’s tenure and maybe he just needs more time to move past the initial gut punch that a rough transition to the majors can deliver. But he has nothing left to prove in the minors, and he’ll have plenty of opportunity to man first and second base the next two months.
Lloyd: It took José Ramírez 550 at-bats and three years of bouncing back and forth before establishing himself as an everyday player. I’m not predicting Miller will turn into a perennial MVP candidate, but there is precedent for guys with that kind of hit tool just needing time to figure things out. Miller has fewer than 100 big-league at-bats. He was also on my list of guys I want to watch play. I’m certainly willing to give him more time.
Freeman’s injury hurts. I don’t think he would’ve been up this year – no need to start that contract clock ticking – but he may have been in line for a late-April promotion next year. Now he’s a prospect with no Triple-A experience and just 164 at-bats in Double A. It feels like his path to Cleveland just hit a significant delay.
While we’re talking about who we’re excited to watch, I’ll also tell you who I’m not excited to watch: the outfielders. Like, all of them. We’ve said for two years now (at least) that we need to find out if Zimmer and Mercado can play every day. The fact we’re still asking means we probably know the answer. Neither one of them excites me anymore. Myles Straw just doesn’t do it for me, either. He feels like a fourth outfielder on a contending team (although, admittedly, he has hit much better this year than I thought he would as an everyday player).
Harold Ramirez has probably done more with his opportunity than any of the rest of them. I’m not sure if that’s a compliment to him or an indictment on everyone else. Although, Rosario is more fascinating to me as a second baseman or center fielder than he is as a shortstop.
Meisel: There’s surely a spot on the major-league roster for Rosario, especially given the way he handles left-handed pitching (.313/.361/.485 slash line this season). But you’re right, a contending team shouldn’t stick him at shortstop, Straw is now blocking him in center field, and he’s never appeared in a game at second base (though you could always change that next spring).
To me, Straw is a solid addition because he at least solidifies one outfield spot for next season. He plays elite defense, which he has already made evident in the two weeks since the trade. He’s an elite runner. And he’s elite at making contact, even if that contact is typically pretty weak. That’s a good baseline of traits for a big leaguer, and it’s more than any of the other outfield candidates has offered.
Myles Straw has already made a handful of impressive catches for Cleveland. (Ken Blaze / USA Today)
The rest of the group does seem like a collection of fourth and fifth outfield options. I’m much more intrigued by Richie Palacios, who has posted sparkling minor-league hitting numbers and recently received a promotion to Triple A. But anyone we haven’t seen in the major-league outfield will automatically seem more alluring as a byproduct of being compared to the current, lackluster bunch.
Let’s revisit something you mentioned earlier, though, as we banter about players to monitor over the next eight weeks. Quantrill has solidified himself as part of the fabric of the future rotation, alongside Shane Bieber, Aaron Civale and Zach Plesac. That’s a strong foundation, and McKenzie has demonstrated an ability to attack hitters that was absent during the first half of the season.
If this team doesn’t have to address its starting pitching this winter, that eliminates a significant entry from the offseason to-do list. And the way Quantrill and McKenzie have pitched, that’s a massive development.
Lloyd: It goes back to one of the recent times you and I did this when we discussed what the Indians should do at the trade deadline, way back when they were still hanging around the division race despite all the injuries. We made the point that the most glaring short-term need on this team, starting pitching, wasn’t much of a long-term concern at all.
A month later, that still feels true. Barring injury (of course), a rotation of Bieber-Civale-Plesac-Quantrill-McKenzie is the deepest in the division and one of the best in the league. It leaves Logan Allen, Eli Morgan and others as depth starters and it means the Indians don’t have to waste any free-agent dollars (the payroll is going up, remember) on overpriced pitching.
Meisel: Keep an eye on Cody Morris in Columbus, too.
Lloyd: To bring this all the way back around, that’s why I’m most curious to watch Giménez over the final six weeks. I’ll concede Straw to you in center, for now, because he’s the best of what they have. If Giménez can hit big-league pitching, it allows Rosario (or Miller) to play second base every day next year. Second base should be far easier for Rosario to learn than the outfield, particularly if he has all of spring training to get comfortable there, then suddenly you have a guy who is pretty decent with the bat who can play all over the field, like a Ben Zobrist or Joey Wendle or Jurickson Profar.
Am I projecting a bit and taking a few liberties there? Perhaps. But like Rosario, Zobrist and Profar were shortstops coming up who increased their value by learning to play other positions. The Indians have never really had one of those super-utility guys who can find their way into the lineup at a multitude of positions. Rosario feels to me like he could be that guy, if Giménez proves he can handle shortstop every day.
While we’re talking about all of these players we’re excited to watch and players we’re not-so-excited to see, this feels like the right time to point out what a disappointment this season has been for guys like Daniel Johnson and Nolan Jones.
Entering the season, I thought Jones would be up by May or June at the latest. Here it is mid-August and he still has yet to debut. Was I just overzealous, or did you expect him to be up by now, too?
Meisel: What’s strange is lefties have always been Jones’ kryptonite, but he has fared better against them this season than he has against righties. I wasn’t sure what to expect from Jones since he didn’t play in 2020, had such a rough time against southpaws in the past and would also be bouncing around to different positions. But I did think he would have debuted by now in some capacity, especially if I had been armed with the knowledge that no other players would seize either of the corner outfield spots. He’ll have to play somewhere next year.
Regardless, addressing the outfield should be the top priority for this team this winter, likely via trade. (I could have copied-and-pasted that sentence from any offseason preview article from the past decade.) They should be able to solve the infield internally; they just need to sort through all of these options first.
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