LeBron James nearly chose Chicago over Miami in 2010
Today 6:38 AM
Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and LeBron James join forces in Miami in 2010.
By Troy L. Smith, Cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio – It appears LeBron James’ Decision back in 2010 almost had him taking his talents to the Windy City rather than South Beach.
In an interview with the Knuckleheads podcast, Dwyane Wade discussed how he and James became teammates, something Wade didn’t think would happen early on.
“I promise, I never thought me and LeBron would play together," Wade said. "I remember going to my agent’s office and he was like, ‘Yo, LeBron and [his agent], they want to get on a call with us.’ I’m like, ‘Okay.’
“[LeBron] was like, ‘Where your head at?’ I said, ‘My head is in winning, where your head at?’ He was like, ‘Same thing, let’s rock together.’ I’m like, ‘Cool! Let’s do it.’”
Wade went on to reveal that after he and James decided to join forces, they nearly wound up in Wade’s native Chicago.
“Chicago was on the top of both of our lists,” said Wade “They had two max contracts and they had a young D-Rose. They had a Luol Deng, they had [Joakim] Noah, they had all these pieces.”
The duo also considered New York. However, James preferred adding Chris Bosh as the third partner and Miami was the only team that could afford all three.
It appears Cleveland never entered the equation.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2852Really interesting - thanks rusty.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2853I’ve said it before and I am more emboldened in my belief than ever after this series against the Bucks. Kylie Irving is no superstar. An all-star, not a superstar. He will never be a Batman to lead a team to the Championship.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2854Well that is an improvement over thinking Dion Waiters was a better player.
Kyrie was done in mentally earlier this year by the younger players on his team that succeeded last year but felt they were not getting their due this year. Kyrie called them out as did Morris and Horford. Team chemistry was bad all year long and most of the younger guys knew that Kyrie was gone. He will be in New York or New Jersey next year with Durant.
Good point you bring up though. Who is Batman in the NBA ? I would argue that there is not a Batman in the NBA right now.
As Shaq said the other night. He won 4 NBA championships. All 4 in his opinion were based on the others on his teams doing their job. That having Kobe and Wade is great but it is more important to have role players that do the dirty work.
Kyrie was done in mentally earlier this year by the younger players on his team that succeeded last year but felt they were not getting their due this year. Kyrie called them out as did Morris and Horford. Team chemistry was bad all year long and most of the younger guys knew that Kyrie was gone. He will be in New York or New Jersey next year with Durant.
Good point you bring up though. Who is Batman in the NBA ? I would argue that there is not a Batman in the NBA right now.
As Shaq said the other night. He won 4 NBA championships. All 4 in his opinion were based on the others on his teams doing their job. That having Kobe and Wade is great but it is more important to have role players that do the dirty work.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2855Charles Barkley called (at halftime) last night's Celtics/Bucks game a "scrimmage". 
As we know, Barkley has no tact. But he nailed it. The Celtics quit. There is a major schism there. As rusty pointed to (who is to blame?), the young guys do NOT like Kyrie.
They showed, at halftime, Kyrie taking stupid shots with teammates wide open. And his teammates weren't passing much either. This was simply obvious.
Kyrie, as the so called leader there, obviously has to take more than his share of responsibility. He should be gone and Celtics fans NOW should be rooting for him to leave.
They did better without him and Hayward last postseason. They were unified.
Crazy how this so called killer trade Ainge pulled off getting Kyrie blew up. And any team picking him up has to be thinking very carefully. Except maybe the Lakers - lol!!
As we know, Barkley has no tact. But he nailed it. The Celtics quit. There is a major schism there. As rusty pointed to (who is to blame?), the young guys do NOT like Kyrie.
They showed, at halftime, Kyrie taking stupid shots with teammates wide open. And his teammates weren't passing much either. This was simply obvious.
Kyrie, as the so called leader there, obviously has to take more than his share of responsibility. He should be gone and Celtics fans NOW should be rooting for him to leave.
They did better without him and Hayward last postseason. They were unified.
Crazy how this so called killer trade Ainge pulled off getting Kyrie blew up. And any team picking him up has to be thinking very carefully. Except maybe the Lakers - lol!!
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2856You must be confusing me with someone else. I never said anything like that.rusty2 wrote:Well that is an improvement over thinking Dion Waiters was a better player.
Not even trying to knock Kyrie's game. Just always thought he was an all star, not a superstar. That's all.
Superstars can take over a game. Kyrie tried to take over last couple games of their series and looked horrible.
As far as superstars today, Batman's per say. In my opinion ... Harden ... Greek Freak ... Durant ... LeBron ... superstars..
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2857You might be thinking of this, Rusty ...
-
jayjay7
Post subject: Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:34 am
Although I was dead set againts the Waiters draft pick, I think it is a major error if they trade him for a mid to late #1. He can be a dynamic scorer and is fully capable of running this team. If Kyrie won't sign I would trade him for a top 3 pick and then let Waiters run the show
-
I did a search of posts with me as the author and Waiters as a keyword and I never said anything like what you referenced. Maybe it was JJ or someone else.
-
jayjay7
Post subject: Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:34 am
Although I was dead set againts the Waiters draft pick, I think it is a major error if they trade him for a mid to late #1. He can be a dynamic scorer and is fully capable of running this team. If Kyrie won't sign I would trade him for a top 3 pick and then let Waiters run the show
-
I did a search of posts with me as the author and Waiters as a keyword and I never said anything like what you referenced. Maybe it was JJ or someone else.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2859The tragedy of Kyrie Irving
Kyrie Irving tried to be someone he’s not. Is it right to be mad about that?
By Sam Sheehan May 10, 2019, 9:00am EDT
Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports
In the zeitgeist trial of “what kind of a person is Kyrie Irving,” there are no absolutes. The Celtics were roundly flattened by a superior Bucks team after Irving’s shot and defensive effort deserted him in the three biggest games of the year. There’s going to be a cross-examination of his character that will play out (largely in a very public manner) over the next two months, and the following clip is going to be Exhibit A.
Boston Celtics
✔
@celtics
“If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here.” - @KyrieIrving
There’s not something that’s more definitively American about our discourse than a hatred of hypocrisy. A quick perusal of Twitter will find comparisons of what someone said at some point with another screenshot of them saying something else. GOTCHA! When used against someone who disagrees with you or you don’t like, hypocrisy is the damning evidence of character; the smoking gun that proves someone is full of crap and you were right about them the whole time. If it’s someone you like, however, somebody is being unfair to them in the interest of proving themselves correct.
The reason for a duality like this is simplicity. We want to view people as concrete solid forms, something that simply is something and simply is not something else. Unfortunately, (or maybe fortunately) people aren’t like that. Everyone, no matter who they are, has an idea of what they want to be to everybody else. Who someone actually is almost never is in line with that idea. The gap in between the two is where hypocrisy is born, and how someone views that hypocrisy is usually tied to what the observer thinks of who the person is “trying to be.”
Irving wants to be classic paragon of an NBA superstar. I don’t think there is much question about that. I think he wants to become synonymous with the game as many of the Hall of Famers we’ve come to know and love are. After all, when you are good enough to be defined by the basketball that you played, that ends up being your defining characteristic.
Well, no one is just one characteristic. Michael Jordan was ridiculously competitive, Shaquille O’Neal loved to have fun, Magic Johnson was gregarious, Larry Bird hurt his back tarring his own driveway and drinking beer, LeBron James is becoming a basketball billionaire, and Kevin Durant makes burners to argue with trolls on the internet. None of these men really have all that much in common besides winning a lot of basketball games, but they have all transcended (or are in the process of transcending) into becoming a pantheon of basketball spirits whose names are murmured with reverence.
Still, there’s not much room for that kind of nuance in sports writing, particularly in the present tense. Guys are either “wired correctly” or not. Stars are “franchise players” or not. Franchise players are “all-time greats” or they aren’t. For the current players entering their prime, they grew up watching a particularly hegemonic, sequestered era of NBA coverage. The internet (and Twitter) hadn’t achieved total proliferation that we have today. Players couldn’t directly tweet and reports who didn’t have a desk job at a paper of record had no way to publish their own reporting. There were no “blog boys,” only people who were getting paid to report on the team.
Today, we as an audience are closer than ever to our NBA heroes. We can tweet at them and have them tell us to “shut up lil buster”. By that same token, the players find themselves in a more direct contact with the audience. Applause and praise is more readily heard, but so are the heckles, boos, and jeers. Where the NBA used to be a movie set, where only film critics could tut-tut a poor effort, it is now a Shakespearean play hall, with all the actors in firing line of both flowers and rotten tomatoes.
This is the moment that Kyrie Irving finds himself in today. He’s a young man who grew up watching coverage of “Mamba mentality” and America’s desire to witness sports greatness. No matter how difficult or arrogant a player might be, accountability, greatness, and leadership would expunge all splotches from a player’s legacy. If you want to be viewed as a basketball great, it’s usually not enough to be a great basketball player. You need to be an extraordinary personality.
If there’s no fun anecdotes, no personality quirks, or vicious arrogance, there’s not much of a story beyond “this guy is good.” There’s gatekeeping when it comes to NBA legends, and the masses will pull viciously at anyone trying to ascend who they don’t deem worthy. This is the paradox of being “the second best player on a championship team.” Remain with a better player and you are defined by your complacency. However, if you leave, you become a diva bewitched by an inflated ego.
The catastrophic implosion of Irving’s only postseason in Boston is a cool glass of water in the narrative desert of the latter. Even outside of Cavaliers fans who may view Irving as the malcontent who closed a Cleveland championship window too soon, many NBA fans see Irving as an avatar for the fame avarice in the NBA. It’s a fact that Irving made choices that led to him being the first significant departing member of a “small market” championship team.
Despite continued gaffes that have plagued “big market” NBA teams over the recent history of the league (see the recent history of either New York team, the Lakers, or any other time in the Clippers history besides recent history), a “small market” championship team continues to be narratively viewed as a blooming rose through the crack in the pavement. Something rare, effervescent, and beautiful; a fragility to be protected from the whims of greedy players who would stomp out a precious treasure for their own gains.
What better incarnation of that is there than a player with a new Hollywood movie, leaving the best player in world, and leaving no meaningful resistance to the hated empire of the Golden State Warriors in his wake?
Irving’s playoff meltdown satisfies the craving for divine justice; an Aesop’s ending for a player who didn’t do things the “right way” and got exactly what he asked for. The way LeBron James treated him didn’t matter because LeBron James stayed (for an entire extra season). What it’s like to work for Dan Gilbert and his way of doing business doesn’t particularly matter either, because he’s the owner of the team and that’s simply that. Irving is a player who simply didn’t know how good he had it and bit off more than he could chew.
Simply deciding a work situation isn’t sustainable just isn’t a good enough excuse. Change must be driven by a desire for legacy or status because that’s what matters to the audience, otherwise known as “the fans.” The line between wanting to play professional basketball the best that you can and being a NBA legend is blurred because the former is entirely dependent on what the audience believes. We want players to care about being these divine figures of the sport, because that’s what we actually care about as fans. We want to see someone labor to win our reverence, and then make a judgement about whether or not they deserve it.
Even this piece, with me giving my own thoughts on what might be going through the head of someone with a wildly different set of life circumstances, plays into that same vicious cycle. Perhaps I’d just like to think that Irving is someone not that different from me, and someone whom I can empathize with. I have to leave open the possibility to myself that I am projecting too much of my own view of things onto someone who has publicly voiced his displeasure over scrutinization of his character through the lens of sound bites and body language. But, at least for now, I don’t see someone who is selfish, mean-spirited, and poisoned by his own desires. I just see someone who did what he could to remake himself into a Kyrie Irving he thought the audience would applaud for.
At the end of the day, Kyrie looks to me like a tired, defeated guy who tried to bridge the gap between who he is and who we wanted him to be. He made it more difficult that it needed to be and there’s plenty you can fairly criticize about his choices. However, regardless of the results of July 7th and the coming years, I’ll remember these two years of Irving’s tenure as that of a player who challenged himself, risked his personal legacy, and came up short in the attempt.
Whether courageous or foolish, he tried to give us what he thought we wanted.
If that’s not tragedy, I’m not sure what is.
Kyrie Irving tried to be someone he’s not. Is it right to be mad about that?
By Sam Sheehan May 10, 2019, 9:00am EDT
Greg M. Cooper-USA TODAY Sports
In the zeitgeist trial of “what kind of a person is Kyrie Irving,” there are no absolutes. The Celtics were roundly flattened by a superior Bucks team after Irving’s shot and defensive effort deserted him in the three biggest games of the year. There’s going to be a cross-examination of his character that will play out (largely in a very public manner) over the next two months, and the following clip is going to be Exhibit A.
Boston Celtics
✔
@celtics
“If you guys will have me back, I plan on re-signing here.” - @KyrieIrving
There’s not something that’s more definitively American about our discourse than a hatred of hypocrisy. A quick perusal of Twitter will find comparisons of what someone said at some point with another screenshot of them saying something else. GOTCHA! When used against someone who disagrees with you or you don’t like, hypocrisy is the damning evidence of character; the smoking gun that proves someone is full of crap and you were right about them the whole time. If it’s someone you like, however, somebody is being unfair to them in the interest of proving themselves correct.
The reason for a duality like this is simplicity. We want to view people as concrete solid forms, something that simply is something and simply is not something else. Unfortunately, (or maybe fortunately) people aren’t like that. Everyone, no matter who they are, has an idea of what they want to be to everybody else. Who someone actually is almost never is in line with that idea. The gap in between the two is where hypocrisy is born, and how someone views that hypocrisy is usually tied to what the observer thinks of who the person is “trying to be.”
Irving wants to be classic paragon of an NBA superstar. I don’t think there is much question about that. I think he wants to become synonymous with the game as many of the Hall of Famers we’ve come to know and love are. After all, when you are good enough to be defined by the basketball that you played, that ends up being your defining characteristic.
Well, no one is just one characteristic. Michael Jordan was ridiculously competitive, Shaquille O’Neal loved to have fun, Magic Johnson was gregarious, Larry Bird hurt his back tarring his own driveway and drinking beer, LeBron James is becoming a basketball billionaire, and Kevin Durant makes burners to argue with trolls on the internet. None of these men really have all that much in common besides winning a lot of basketball games, but they have all transcended (or are in the process of transcending) into becoming a pantheon of basketball spirits whose names are murmured with reverence.
Still, there’s not much room for that kind of nuance in sports writing, particularly in the present tense. Guys are either “wired correctly” or not. Stars are “franchise players” or not. Franchise players are “all-time greats” or they aren’t. For the current players entering their prime, they grew up watching a particularly hegemonic, sequestered era of NBA coverage. The internet (and Twitter) hadn’t achieved total proliferation that we have today. Players couldn’t directly tweet and reports who didn’t have a desk job at a paper of record had no way to publish their own reporting. There were no “blog boys,” only people who were getting paid to report on the team.
Today, we as an audience are closer than ever to our NBA heroes. We can tweet at them and have them tell us to “shut up lil buster”. By that same token, the players find themselves in a more direct contact with the audience. Applause and praise is more readily heard, but so are the heckles, boos, and jeers. Where the NBA used to be a movie set, where only film critics could tut-tut a poor effort, it is now a Shakespearean play hall, with all the actors in firing line of both flowers and rotten tomatoes.
This is the moment that Kyrie Irving finds himself in today. He’s a young man who grew up watching coverage of “Mamba mentality” and America’s desire to witness sports greatness. No matter how difficult or arrogant a player might be, accountability, greatness, and leadership would expunge all splotches from a player’s legacy. If you want to be viewed as a basketball great, it’s usually not enough to be a great basketball player. You need to be an extraordinary personality.
If there’s no fun anecdotes, no personality quirks, or vicious arrogance, there’s not much of a story beyond “this guy is good.” There’s gatekeeping when it comes to NBA legends, and the masses will pull viciously at anyone trying to ascend who they don’t deem worthy. This is the paradox of being “the second best player on a championship team.” Remain with a better player and you are defined by your complacency. However, if you leave, you become a diva bewitched by an inflated ego.
Despite continued gaffes that have plagued “big market” NBA teams over the recent history of the league (see the recent history of either New York team, the Lakers, or any other time in the Clippers history besides recent history), a “small market” championship team continues to be narratively viewed as a blooming rose through the crack in the pavement. Something rare, effervescent, and beautiful; a fragility to be protected from the whims of greedy players who would stomp out a precious treasure for their own gains.
What better incarnation of that is there than a player with a new Hollywood movie, leaving the best player in world, and leaving no meaningful resistance to the hated empire of the Golden State Warriors in his wake?
Irving’s playoff meltdown satisfies the craving for divine justice; an Aesop’s ending for a player who didn’t do things the “right way” and got exactly what he asked for. The way LeBron James treated him didn’t matter because LeBron James stayed (for an entire extra season). What it’s like to work for Dan Gilbert and his way of doing business doesn’t particularly matter either, because he’s the owner of the team and that’s simply that. Irving is a player who simply didn’t know how good he had it and bit off more than he could chew.
Simply deciding a work situation isn’t sustainable just isn’t a good enough excuse. Change must be driven by a desire for legacy or status because that’s what matters to the audience, otherwise known as “the fans.” The line between wanting to play professional basketball the best that you can and being a NBA legend is blurred because the former is entirely dependent on what the audience believes. We want players to care about being these divine figures of the sport, because that’s what we actually care about as fans. We want to see someone labor to win our reverence, and then make a judgement about whether or not they deserve it.
Even this piece, with me giving my own thoughts on what might be going through the head of someone with a wildly different set of life circumstances, plays into that same vicious cycle. Perhaps I’d just like to think that Irving is someone not that different from me, and someone whom I can empathize with. I have to leave open the possibility to myself that I am projecting too much of my own view of things onto someone who has publicly voiced his displeasure over scrutinization of his character through the lens of sound bites and body language. But, at least for now, I don’t see someone who is selfish, mean-spirited, and poisoned by his own desires. I just see someone who did what he could to remake himself into a Kyrie Irving he thought the audience would applaud for.
At the end of the day, Kyrie looks to me like a tired, defeated guy who tried to bridge the gap between who he is and who we wanted him to be. He made it more difficult that it needed to be and there’s plenty you can fairly criticize about his choices. However, regardless of the results of July 7th and the coming years, I’ll remember these two years of Irving’s tenure as that of a player who challenged himself, risked his personal legacy, and came up short in the attempt.
Whether courageous or foolish, he tried to give us what he thought we wanted.
If that’s not tragedy, I’m not sure what is.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2860Maybe next year when Kyrie does the Lebron thing and forms his own team with AD or Durant then he will probably win an NBA championship.
Personally, I do not believe that there is a Batman in the NBA. Golden State without Durant for valuable time in game 5 and not at all in game 6 win the series. Lebron the chosen one could not even make the playoffs. Probaly would have never won a championship without Wade, Bosh, Allen or Irving.
Finally Kyrie is a superstar. Just ask anyone of the players that are on the Batman list. They will tell you.
Jordan won his first championship at age 30. Give it some time.
Personally, I do not believe that there is a Batman in the NBA. Golden State without Durant for valuable time in game 5 and not at all in game 6 win the series. Lebron the chosen one could not even make the playoffs. Probaly would have never won a championship without Wade, Bosh, Allen or Irving.
Finally Kyrie is a superstar. Just ask anyone of the players that are on the Batman list. They will tell you.
Jordan won his first championship at age 30. Give it some time.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2861rusty - I think this article is an overreaction to the fact that:
1. Boston clearly quit in the playoffs. Barkley called the last game a "scrimmage" and he was right on (for once)
2. Kyrie sent that message to Lebron indicating that NOW he knew what is was like for Lebron
3. The network, at halftime, showed Kyrie shooting over and over when teammates were clearly open
4. The total Boston passes was way down, guys were just shooting
So if Kyrie was the "leader" of that team, someone has to take the fall. For a team like Boston to implode like that....it was just weird all over. Barkley was right, there was NO intensity, it was blatant. In a playoff game!!
I do agree that if paired with the right players he obviously can win another ring. That said, he is probably not the #1 guy, ever, because his game is not built to make others better. And a leader has to have some of that. Even Durant changed his game somewhat to do that.
And let's face it, I don't know what kind of people/communication skills he has with teammates. But some of that is necessary to be a leader.
Shoot there have been all kinds of players, Hall of Famers, who were just great players not leaders. Perhaps that's Kyrie - time may tell.
1. Boston clearly quit in the playoffs. Barkley called the last game a "scrimmage" and he was right on (for once)
2. Kyrie sent that message to Lebron indicating that NOW he knew what is was like for Lebron
3. The network, at halftime, showed Kyrie shooting over and over when teammates were clearly open
4. The total Boston passes was way down, guys were just shooting
So if Kyrie was the "leader" of that team, someone has to take the fall. For a team like Boston to implode like that....it was just weird all over. Barkley was right, there was NO intensity, it was blatant. In a playoff game!!
I do agree that if paired with the right players he obviously can win another ring. That said, he is probably not the #1 guy, ever, because his game is not built to make others better. And a leader has to have some of that. Even Durant changed his game somewhat to do that.
And let's face it, I don't know what kind of people/communication skills he has with teammates. But some of that is necessary to be a leader.
Shoot there have been all kinds of players, Hall of Famers, who were just great players not leaders. Perhaps that's Kyrie - time may tell.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2862Times have changed. The Batman talk is past it’s due date. Used to you would say this guy is a Batman who needs a Robin to compete for championship. Pippen to Jordan. But ever since the Celtics and Heat did the big 3 you now need a Batman, Robin, and The Green Lantern.
Harden is a Batman. Chris Paul is a Robin, If they could have added a PG3 or someone like that they could really compete with Warriors.
Despite the fact the Warriors have the entire f’n Justice League. (Green is Wonder Woman)
LeBron is still a Batman. But this year he didn’t have an Alfred the Butler, let alone a Robin.
Harden is a Batman. Chris Paul is a Robin, If they could have added a PG3 or someone like that they could really compete with Warriors.
Despite the fact the Warriors have the entire f’n Justice League. (Green is Wonder Woman)
LeBron is still a Batman. But this year he didn’t have an Alfred the Butler, let alone a Robin.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2863Cavaliers Rumors: Michigan's John Beilein Signs 5-Year Contract to Be Head Coach
TYLER CONWAY
MAY 13, 2019
The Cleveland Cavaliers have dipped into the collegiate coaching pool for their next head coach, reportedly agreeing to a five-year contract with Michigan's John Beilein.
ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported the news.
Beilein, 66, has been the head coach at Michigan since 2007. He's led the Wolverines to a 278-150 record and nine NCAA tournament appearances, including twice finishing as the national runner-up.
The Orlando Magic and Detroit Pistons spoke to Beilein about their head coaching vacancies last offseason.
Beilein has no NBA coaching experience but has coached basketball at every level, beginning in high school and slowly working his way up through the collegiate ranks. He's coached at Nazareth College, Le Moyne, Canisius, Richmond and West Virginia in addition to Michigan.
TYLER CONWAY
MAY 13, 2019
The Cleveland Cavaliers have dipped into the collegiate coaching pool for their next head coach, reportedly agreeing to a five-year contract with Michigan's John Beilein.
ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported the news.
Beilein, 66, has been the head coach at Michigan since 2007. He's led the Wolverines to a 278-150 record and nine NCAA tournament appearances, including twice finishing as the national runner-up.
The Orlando Magic and Detroit Pistons spoke to Beilein about their head coaching vacancies last offseason.
Beilein has no NBA coaching experience but has coached basketball at every level, beginning in high school and slowly working his way up through the collegiate ranks. He's coached at Nazareth College, Le Moyne, Canisius, Richmond and West Virginia in addition to Michigan.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
28645 year contract for a 66 year old with no NBA experience? That sounds kind of long