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2521Thanks rusty - good article that outlines the options and how they work.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
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Michael Jordan was arguably the best ever & got swept out of the first round… twice. You guys out here making fun of LeBron for dragging a lottery team (without him) to the Finals and getting swept by one of the most talented teams in #NBA history.
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Michael Jordan was arguably the best ever & got swept out of the first round… twice. You guys out here making fun of LeBron for dragging a lottery team (without him) to the Finals and getting swept by one of the most talented teams in #NBA history.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
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2524I think his point is, and I agree, that Lebron takes grief for so many Finals losses when the fact is some of those teams he takes to the Finals drastically overachieve (because of him) just to get there and are overmatched
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
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2525And Jordon's graded on team results by most commentators only on his finals record. People tend to ignore how many times when he failed to reach the finals and by how much.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2526LeBron James Staying With The Cavaliers Makes More Sense Than You Think
#2018 NBA FREE AGENCY #LEBRON JAMES #CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
MARTIN RICKMAN
MANAGING EDITOR, SPORTS + DIME
06.11.18
CLEVELAND – The King sat alone … well, as alone as the best basketball player in the world could be while surrounded by people. Writers scrambled to dodge cords and cameras and microphones, bouncing from the whiteboard to lockers in hopes of finding a glimmer of insight into the King’s thoughts and drives. The King was aware — as he always is — of everything going on around him, but headphones created a barrier as he went about his postgame routine.
Bystanders got caught almost whispering, either out of respect or to match the funeral-like nature of a team that saw its season reach its unceremonious conclusion. Faced with trying to solve a Rubik’s Cube that had seen all its colors swapped and mangled, they could not. Some players dressed in silence and were left alone, others were grabbed for brief moments, and the cameras moved from target to target until the frenzy dissipated into the night.
Breaking through the somberness of the room like a wrecking ball to the side of an abandoned building, the King’s boys and friends bounded into the locker room, bursting with energy and chattering as preteens do. One tripped over a pair of slides that had been left on the carpet, another narrowly avoided toppling over an ice bucket. They surrounded the King. There was no sadness, no agenda, no need for answers. It was an unguarded moment, and as quickly as it happened, it was over.
The King, headphones still on, shuffled into the showers, preparing for a press conference that would turn whispers into roars. For the second time in his career, a potential decision that could force the Cleveland Cavaliers to start back at square one looms large on the horizon.
GETTY IMAGE
LeBron James had a habit over the course of the 2018 NBA Finals of wearing his hat so low that the lights shining over the podium would cast shadows. His unusually expressive face was shrouded, and whether by design or a byproduct of fashion, his words had an extra bit of mystery to them. That didn’t stop those interested in psychoanalyzing him to do so anyway, prodding and dipping in and out the same way James surveys a defense on the floor in search of weak points.
Following Game 4, James knew those questions were coming.
Those questions were there in 2010. They returned in 2014 and they’ve been there every year since in some form. It’d be foolish to think one of the most cerebral players of all time, one who can rattle off a series of plays as if he was doing Director’s Commentary on them, wouldn’t prepare for these. And yet, for someone who seemingly has had a plan of some sort since he entered the league (or, at the very least, since that first Decision in which he teamed with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to take control of his own fate), anyone hoping for a tell wouldn’t get one. Not yet, anyway.
“I have no idea at this point,” James said. “The one thing that I’ve always done is considered, obviously, my family. Understanding especially where my boys are at this point in their age. They were a lot younger the last time I made a decision like this four years ago. I’ve got a teenage boy, a pre-teen and a little girl that wasn’t around as well. So sitting down and considering everything, my family is a huge part of whatever I’ll decide to do in my career, and it will continue to be that. So I don’t have an answer for you right now as far as that.”
Maybe this was part of the game. LeBron famously reads books in the locker room and in between games, and understands the allure of mysteries and codebreaking as well as anyone. It was only two years ago he dropped cryptic The Da Vinci Code-style tweets left and right midseason, leaving breadcrumbs so absurd it was a little shocking Nicolas Cage didn’t try and use them to look for hidden treasure. This time around, if LeBron hasn’t done it in print, there were moments throughout in which he’s sought to amplify his message (and, perhaps, enhance his legacy).
For weeks he referenced how tired he was, dipping into the well again and again to the point that it seemed like he was creating a mythology around his shots and big moments. He said it out loud. He was seen chugging water on the sidelines. He’d even hide his face in a towel on the bench. This season was tiring — for the media, for fans, for players themselves. It had to be tiring for LeBron as well, as from the summer on there was no chance to rest. The team let its GM walk, went into the draft without a true replacement, saw its second-best player demand a trade, recouped a return that wasn’t much of a return at all (save for a top-10 pick that we’ll come back to), had one player go AWOL for a few weeks, had open disagreements in the locker room and through quotes and subtweets and Instagram posts, and retooled (well, overhauled) much of the roster at the trade deadline.
It took seven games of LeBron’s best to avoid losing a first-round playoff series for the first time in his career, four games of magnificence to bury the Raptors, and another seven games of holding on for dear life before outlasting the young Celtics to even make it to the Finals for the fourth straight season.
Of course James was tired.
Intentional or not, what this set up was a new narrative before even entering the series with Warriors (again). It wasn’t so much “LeBron has to do the unthinkable” as much as it was “LeBron had to do the unthinkable to even get here.” A loss against the Warriors wasn’t a blemish on his legacy anymore. By stressing how weary he was, James managed to do two things: Build up the depth of the Eastern Conference, which has been much maligned in the four straight years LeBron took his team to the Finals, and prove to those who assume otherwise that it was work to get to this point, emphasizing that LeBron’s heavy lifting does take a toll.
“Sometimes you can give everything you’ve got and still come up short,” Cavs coach Tyronn Lue said after the series was over. While he was referring to the Finals themselves, he could’ve been referring to our professional careers, our hopes and dreams, or even our lives in general.
So what now? The foregone conclusion proved true. The sweep happened, although not without casualties. J.R. Smith’s Game 1 blunder will have ripple effects, not just for him, or for George Hill (who missed the free throw in the first place), but potentially for many Cavaliers, including James. It was revealed he punched a whiteboard after the loss out of frustration and had played through the remainder of the series with an injured hand.
“I still think there was another level that we could’ve gotten to,” Larry Nance Jr. said in the locker room after Game 4. “I think we were capable of, but for whatever reason we didn’t get there.”
The team simply never reached that higher gear, whether it was lack of practice time, poor fit, coaching, or otherwise. Changes will be made, and players who gave everything might be caught in the undertow.
Part of dealing with a star as large as LeBron is dealing with the gravity that surrounds him. Manage to exist in his orbit and you’ll gain all the benefits that go along with that. Try to fight that gravity and you run the risk of skipping off the atmosphere into total darkness. It’s not right or wrong, it just is. LeBron’s greatness can be debated ad nauseam, but he is who he is because of who he is, along with all the motivations, drives, desires, quirks, and decisions that go along with that.
The idea that we can distill someone into their best moments and try and hold this expectation of them as YouTube highlight packages and nothing else is disingenuous. They deserve better. They deserve to have their lives be built with the care and exhaustive detail of a James Joyce novel. And so even in LeBron’s most ordinary Bloomsdays, context is not only appreciated, but demanded.
This brings us to the decision at hand. What does the best player in the world do when it’s clear the indomitable object in front of him has upended the meticulously crafted plan he’s sought to execute for the better part of the decade? As in all things, there’s a drive to gnash and claw and “beat on, boats against the current borne ceaselessly into the past.” If the Warriors are LeBron’s green light, how does he avoid being defined by them? How does he retake ownership of his own legacy?
In some ways, as it always has been, home might be the answer.
Home doesn’t offer him the best roster or the best shot at besting this foe, but Moby Dick isn’t a story about a whale. LeBron, neuroses and all, has never set things up to be about him vs. anyone else. It’s bigger than that. His story is too rich, too deep, too stuffed with allegories and allusions. Unintended or not, it’s what we’re left with. We’re all faced with the inevitability of something, and the struggle against that inevitability has created the richest narratives throughout human history.
For LeBron’s legacy to truly shine in this post-post-modern basketball world that was torn asunder and blown apart by the greatness of the Warriors, he has to move beyond the Warriors. Chasing them — in Houston, in Philadelphia, or otherwise — makes his legacy, and his story, about them. Staying in Cleveland makes his legacy, and his story, about him. That’s the power he has.
His impact is felt in Northeast Ohio every single day, through the foundation he’s established, through the people he inspires, and through the family he has built and fostered. It allows his daily life to shape his legacy. It allows him to be remembered beyond basketball. That isn’t to say he can’t continue to do so from Los Angeles, or even reach and impact a whole new generation there. But those moments resonate and vibrate at a frequency that reaches people on an entirely different level here. James knows this, and he understands this better than any athlete ever has. Were he to leave and explore another option, he’d be supported far more than he ever was in 2010. He did what he promised. He accomplished the unthinkable. He brought a championship to Cleveland.
Sticking around would require a trust that might not be there — in a roster, in a coaching staff, in a front office, and with an owner with whom he has plenty of bad blood. That roster will change, but will that be enough? The coaching staff could, too, but who realistically is out there who can draw even more greatness out of him? The front office has plenty to prove and pieces to dangle, but are there moves to be made? The owner has shown his narcissism and competitive drive can be wielded as a tool, but can his ego be overcome? Those questions may not have realistic answers, but they’re questions LeBron is at least familiar with. Any new situation brings potential, but reveals a completely different set of questions that are found in time.
“Being a part of the start-fresh mode is something that you definitely don’t want to be a part of,” James said after Game 4. “It has its pros and it definitely has its cons.”
On some level, no matter where he ends up because of the gravity he commands, he’ll be starting fresh. If the Cavs do what needs to be done to keep him around, this is a new situation. If he joins the Rockets, or the Sixers, or the Lakers, or even the Celtics, he’ll be starting fresh. The pros are that anything is possible, but the cons are that anything is possible. We know home is where the heart is, but the decision this time around for LeBron is whether or not home is where his legacy will be secured.
#2018 NBA FREE AGENCY #LEBRON JAMES #CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
MARTIN RICKMAN
MANAGING EDITOR, SPORTS + DIME
06.11.18
CLEVELAND – The King sat alone … well, as alone as the best basketball player in the world could be while surrounded by people. Writers scrambled to dodge cords and cameras and microphones, bouncing from the whiteboard to lockers in hopes of finding a glimmer of insight into the King’s thoughts and drives. The King was aware — as he always is — of everything going on around him, but headphones created a barrier as he went about his postgame routine.
Bystanders got caught almost whispering, either out of respect or to match the funeral-like nature of a team that saw its season reach its unceremonious conclusion. Faced with trying to solve a Rubik’s Cube that had seen all its colors swapped and mangled, they could not. Some players dressed in silence and were left alone, others were grabbed for brief moments, and the cameras moved from target to target until the frenzy dissipated into the night.
Breaking through the somberness of the room like a wrecking ball to the side of an abandoned building, the King’s boys and friends bounded into the locker room, bursting with energy and chattering as preteens do. One tripped over a pair of slides that had been left on the carpet, another narrowly avoided toppling over an ice bucket. They surrounded the King. There was no sadness, no agenda, no need for answers. It was an unguarded moment, and as quickly as it happened, it was over.
The King, headphones still on, shuffled into the showers, preparing for a press conference that would turn whispers into roars. For the second time in his career, a potential decision that could force the Cleveland Cavaliers to start back at square one looms large on the horizon.
GETTY IMAGE
LeBron James had a habit over the course of the 2018 NBA Finals of wearing his hat so low that the lights shining over the podium would cast shadows. His unusually expressive face was shrouded, and whether by design or a byproduct of fashion, his words had an extra bit of mystery to them. That didn’t stop those interested in psychoanalyzing him to do so anyway, prodding and dipping in and out the same way James surveys a defense on the floor in search of weak points.
Following Game 4, James knew those questions were coming.
Those questions were there in 2010. They returned in 2014 and they’ve been there every year since in some form. It’d be foolish to think one of the most cerebral players of all time, one who can rattle off a series of plays as if he was doing Director’s Commentary on them, wouldn’t prepare for these. And yet, for someone who seemingly has had a plan of some sort since he entered the league (or, at the very least, since that first Decision in which he teamed with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh to take control of his own fate), anyone hoping for a tell wouldn’t get one. Not yet, anyway.
“I have no idea at this point,” James said. “The one thing that I’ve always done is considered, obviously, my family. Understanding especially where my boys are at this point in their age. They were a lot younger the last time I made a decision like this four years ago. I’ve got a teenage boy, a pre-teen and a little girl that wasn’t around as well. So sitting down and considering everything, my family is a huge part of whatever I’ll decide to do in my career, and it will continue to be that. So I don’t have an answer for you right now as far as that.”
Maybe this was part of the game. LeBron famously reads books in the locker room and in between games, and understands the allure of mysteries and codebreaking as well as anyone. It was only two years ago he dropped cryptic The Da Vinci Code-style tweets left and right midseason, leaving breadcrumbs so absurd it was a little shocking Nicolas Cage didn’t try and use them to look for hidden treasure. This time around, if LeBron hasn’t done it in print, there were moments throughout in which he’s sought to amplify his message (and, perhaps, enhance his legacy).
For weeks he referenced how tired he was, dipping into the well again and again to the point that it seemed like he was creating a mythology around his shots and big moments. He said it out loud. He was seen chugging water on the sidelines. He’d even hide his face in a towel on the bench. This season was tiring — for the media, for fans, for players themselves. It had to be tiring for LeBron as well, as from the summer on there was no chance to rest. The team let its GM walk, went into the draft without a true replacement, saw its second-best player demand a trade, recouped a return that wasn’t much of a return at all (save for a top-10 pick that we’ll come back to), had one player go AWOL for a few weeks, had open disagreements in the locker room and through quotes and subtweets and Instagram posts, and retooled (well, overhauled) much of the roster at the trade deadline.
It took seven games of LeBron’s best to avoid losing a first-round playoff series for the first time in his career, four games of magnificence to bury the Raptors, and another seven games of holding on for dear life before outlasting the young Celtics to even make it to the Finals for the fourth straight season.
Of course James was tired.
Intentional or not, what this set up was a new narrative before even entering the series with Warriors (again). It wasn’t so much “LeBron has to do the unthinkable” as much as it was “LeBron had to do the unthinkable to even get here.” A loss against the Warriors wasn’t a blemish on his legacy anymore. By stressing how weary he was, James managed to do two things: Build up the depth of the Eastern Conference, which has been much maligned in the four straight years LeBron took his team to the Finals, and prove to those who assume otherwise that it was work to get to this point, emphasizing that LeBron’s heavy lifting does take a toll.
“Sometimes you can give everything you’ve got and still come up short,” Cavs coach Tyronn Lue said after the series was over. While he was referring to the Finals themselves, he could’ve been referring to our professional careers, our hopes and dreams, or even our lives in general.
So what now? The foregone conclusion proved true. The sweep happened, although not without casualties. J.R. Smith’s Game 1 blunder will have ripple effects, not just for him, or for George Hill (who missed the free throw in the first place), but potentially for many Cavaliers, including James. It was revealed he punched a whiteboard after the loss out of frustration and had played through the remainder of the series with an injured hand.
“I still think there was another level that we could’ve gotten to,” Larry Nance Jr. said in the locker room after Game 4. “I think we were capable of, but for whatever reason we didn’t get there.”
The team simply never reached that higher gear, whether it was lack of practice time, poor fit, coaching, or otherwise. Changes will be made, and players who gave everything might be caught in the undertow.
Part of dealing with a star as large as LeBron is dealing with the gravity that surrounds him. Manage to exist in his orbit and you’ll gain all the benefits that go along with that. Try to fight that gravity and you run the risk of skipping off the atmosphere into total darkness. It’s not right or wrong, it just is. LeBron’s greatness can be debated ad nauseam, but he is who he is because of who he is, along with all the motivations, drives, desires, quirks, and decisions that go along with that.
The idea that we can distill someone into their best moments and try and hold this expectation of them as YouTube highlight packages and nothing else is disingenuous. They deserve better. They deserve to have their lives be built with the care and exhaustive detail of a James Joyce novel. And so even in LeBron’s most ordinary Bloomsdays, context is not only appreciated, but demanded.
This brings us to the decision at hand. What does the best player in the world do when it’s clear the indomitable object in front of him has upended the meticulously crafted plan he’s sought to execute for the better part of the decade? As in all things, there’s a drive to gnash and claw and “beat on, boats against the current borne ceaselessly into the past.” If the Warriors are LeBron’s green light, how does he avoid being defined by them? How does he retake ownership of his own legacy?
In some ways, as it always has been, home might be the answer.
Home doesn’t offer him the best roster or the best shot at besting this foe, but Moby Dick isn’t a story about a whale. LeBron, neuroses and all, has never set things up to be about him vs. anyone else. It’s bigger than that. His story is too rich, too deep, too stuffed with allegories and allusions. Unintended or not, it’s what we’re left with. We’re all faced with the inevitability of something, and the struggle against that inevitability has created the richest narratives throughout human history.
For LeBron’s legacy to truly shine in this post-post-modern basketball world that was torn asunder and blown apart by the greatness of the Warriors, he has to move beyond the Warriors. Chasing them — in Houston, in Philadelphia, or otherwise — makes his legacy, and his story, about them. Staying in Cleveland makes his legacy, and his story, about him. That’s the power he has.
His impact is felt in Northeast Ohio every single day, through the foundation he’s established, through the people he inspires, and through the family he has built and fostered. It allows his daily life to shape his legacy. It allows him to be remembered beyond basketball. That isn’t to say he can’t continue to do so from Los Angeles, or even reach and impact a whole new generation there. But those moments resonate and vibrate at a frequency that reaches people on an entirely different level here. James knows this, and he understands this better than any athlete ever has. Were he to leave and explore another option, he’d be supported far more than he ever was in 2010. He did what he promised. He accomplished the unthinkable. He brought a championship to Cleveland.
Sticking around would require a trust that might not be there — in a roster, in a coaching staff, in a front office, and with an owner with whom he has plenty of bad blood. That roster will change, but will that be enough? The coaching staff could, too, but who realistically is out there who can draw even more greatness out of him? The front office has plenty to prove and pieces to dangle, but are there moves to be made? The owner has shown his narcissism and competitive drive can be wielded as a tool, but can his ego be overcome? Those questions may not have realistic answers, but they’re questions LeBron is at least familiar with. Any new situation brings potential, but reveals a completely different set of questions that are found in time.
“Being a part of the start-fresh mode is something that you definitely don’t want to be a part of,” James said after Game 4. “It has its pros and it definitely has its cons.”
On some level, no matter where he ends up because of the gravity he commands, he’ll be starting fresh. If the Cavs do what needs to be done to keep him around, this is a new situation. If he joins the Rockets, or the Sixers, or the Lakers, or even the Celtics, he’ll be starting fresh. The pros are that anything is possible, but the cons are that anything is possible. We know home is where the heart is, but the decision this time around for LeBron is whether or not home is where his legacy will be secured.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2527Please don’t let the best players fall out of the top draft spots, NBA teams
If Atlanta and Memphis want to trade down, NBA teams should be looking to go up and get Luka Doncic and Jaren Jackson, Jr.
By Ricky O'Donnell Jun 15, 2018, 12:03pm EDT
Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports
The NBA Draft is less than one week away, and rumors are about to start running wild. There’s already speculation that the Atlanta Hawks and Memphis Grizzlies are looking to trade down from the No. 3 and No. 4 picks, respectively.
Take that with a grain of salt: it’s hard to tell what’s a smoke screen and what isn’t this time of year. It’s also true that any draft pick can theoretically be had for the right price in a trade.
But the rumors about Atlanta and Memphis looking to trade down are particularly juicy for one reason: it’s starting to appear likely Luka Doncic and Jaren Jackson Jr. will not selected by the Phoenix Suns and Sacramento Kings with the first two picks.
In my opinion, those are the two best players in the 2018 NBA Draft.
Doncic and Jackson don’t look like traditional top picks
In that sense, their apparent slide down draft boards is understandable.
RELATED
Luka Doncic made his case to be the No. 1 NBA draft pick at Euroleague Final Four
Doncic doesn’t have the raw athleticism you typically expect from a No. 1 overall draft pick, especially for a wing. The type of wing that historically goes No. 1 in the NBA Draft looks more like Andrew Wiggins, who has had a good-not-great career since being selected in the top spot the Timberwolves in 2014. In that sense, Wiggins is a perfect contrast for Doncic as we think about the type of player who thrives in today’s NBA.
Wiggins was an elite athlete, but thus far he’s been unable to leverage that into stardom. Doncic doesn’t have his explosiveness, but he’s better as a passer, ball handler, and shooter, competes defensively and on the glass, and has shown off an advanced basketball IQ. A bet on Doncic is a bet on skill and smarts outweighing athleticism. Apparently some NBA at the top of the draft aren’t willing to make that wager quite yet.
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Jaren Jackson Jr. is going to be the best big from the 2018 NBA Draft
Jackson simply doesn’t have the eye-popping numbers dominant college centers should have. He averaged only 11 points and six rebounds per game as a freshman at Michigan State, but those modest stats belie the fact that his skill set is an ideal fit for the today’s league.
Jackson is long (7’5 wingspan) and mobile. He blocked shots at a top-five rate nationally and hit 40 percent of his three-pointers. He’s a quick center who can protect the rim and stretch the floor. Those are skills that translate, even if his college stats didn’t exactly show it.
EVERY team should be making an offer to Atlanta and Memphis if the rumors are true
RELATED
NBA mock draft 2018: How far will Luka Doncic fall?
If the Suns take Arizona center Deandre Ayton at No. 1 as expected and the Sacramento Kings chose between Marvin Bagley III and Michael Porter Jr., teams should be blowing up the phone for the Hawks and Grizzlies doing everything they can to trade up.
The Hawks reportedly like Trae Young, which makes sense, because Trae Young could be excellent in a league that values shooting and passing more than ever. The Grizzlies reportedly want to unload Chandler Parsons’ massive contract in any deal. A team like the Chicago Bulls at No. 7 or New York Knicks at No. 9 would be in a unique position to move up and grab Doncic or Jackson while giving back the extra assets or cap relief these teams are looking for.
Doncic is the most accomplished European prospect ever. Jackson’s game is a perfect fit for today’s era. The Hawks and Grizzlies should be able to get some major assets in return for the No. 3 and No. 4 picks. Doncic and Jackson are worth the price.
Draft night could get wild
Like my man Tommy Ziller said: this draft is setting up to be bonkers. The Kings are a true wild card (that’s putting it charitably) with the second pick. Players like Porter, Bagley and Texas’ Mohamed Bamba are tantalizing enough that there’s a real chance one or both of Doncic and Jackson slide.
Don’t let it happen, NBA teams. For my money, Doncic and Jackson are going to be the two best players in this draft. If you can trade up to get them, you have to do it.
If Atlanta and Memphis want to trade down, NBA teams should be looking to go up and get Luka Doncic and Jaren Jackson, Jr.
By Ricky O'Donnell Jun 15, 2018, 12:03pm EDT
Brad Penner-USA TODAY Sports
The NBA Draft is less than one week away, and rumors are about to start running wild. There’s already speculation that the Atlanta Hawks and Memphis Grizzlies are looking to trade down from the No. 3 and No. 4 picks, respectively.
Take that with a grain of salt: it’s hard to tell what’s a smoke screen and what isn’t this time of year. It’s also true that any draft pick can theoretically be had for the right price in a trade.
But the rumors about Atlanta and Memphis looking to trade down are particularly juicy for one reason: it’s starting to appear likely Luka Doncic and Jaren Jackson Jr. will not selected by the Phoenix Suns and Sacramento Kings with the first two picks.
In my opinion, those are the two best players in the 2018 NBA Draft.
Doncic and Jackson don’t look like traditional top picks
In that sense, their apparent slide down draft boards is understandable.
RELATED
Luka Doncic made his case to be the No. 1 NBA draft pick at Euroleague Final Four
Doncic doesn’t have the raw athleticism you typically expect from a No. 1 overall draft pick, especially for a wing. The type of wing that historically goes No. 1 in the NBA Draft looks more like Andrew Wiggins, who has had a good-not-great career since being selected in the top spot the Timberwolves in 2014. In that sense, Wiggins is a perfect contrast for Doncic as we think about the type of player who thrives in today’s NBA.
Wiggins was an elite athlete, but thus far he’s been unable to leverage that into stardom. Doncic doesn’t have his explosiveness, but he’s better as a passer, ball handler, and shooter, competes defensively and on the glass, and has shown off an advanced basketball IQ. A bet on Doncic is a bet on skill and smarts outweighing athleticism. Apparently some NBA at the top of the draft aren’t willing to make that wager quite yet.
RELATED
Jaren Jackson Jr. is going to be the best big from the 2018 NBA Draft
Jackson simply doesn’t have the eye-popping numbers dominant college centers should have. He averaged only 11 points and six rebounds per game as a freshman at Michigan State, but those modest stats belie the fact that his skill set is an ideal fit for the today’s league.
Jackson is long (7’5 wingspan) and mobile. He blocked shots at a top-five rate nationally and hit 40 percent of his three-pointers. He’s a quick center who can protect the rim and stretch the floor. Those are skills that translate, even if his college stats didn’t exactly show it.
EVERY team should be making an offer to Atlanta and Memphis if the rumors are true
RELATED
NBA mock draft 2018: How far will Luka Doncic fall?
If the Suns take Arizona center Deandre Ayton at No. 1 as expected and the Sacramento Kings chose between Marvin Bagley III and Michael Porter Jr., teams should be blowing up the phone for the Hawks and Grizzlies doing everything they can to trade up.
The Hawks reportedly like Trae Young, which makes sense, because Trae Young could be excellent in a league that values shooting and passing more than ever. The Grizzlies reportedly want to unload Chandler Parsons’ massive contract in any deal. A team like the Chicago Bulls at No. 7 or New York Knicks at No. 9 would be in a unique position to move up and grab Doncic or Jackson while giving back the extra assets or cap relief these teams are looking for.
Doncic is the most accomplished European prospect ever. Jackson’s game is a perfect fit for today’s era. The Hawks and Grizzlies should be able to get some major assets in return for the No. 3 and No. 4 picks. Doncic and Jackson are worth the price.
Draft night could get wild
Like my man Tommy Ziller said: this draft is setting up to be bonkers. The Kings are a true wild card (that’s putting it charitably) with the second pick. Players like Porter, Bagley and Texas’ Mohamed Bamba are tantalizing enough that there’s a real chance one or both of Doncic and Jackson slide.
Don’t let it happen, NBA teams. For my money, Doncic and Jackson are going to be the two best players in this draft. If you can trade up to get them, you have to do it.
"I've suffered a great many tragedies in my life....most of them never happened". Mark Twain
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2528Dribbles: Cavs talking with Grizzlies, eye Kemba
Cavaliers general manager Koby Altman and owner Dan Gilbert have been busy looking for the right deal.
JUNE 19, 2018
Sam Amico
Quick random dribbles on the Cleveland Cavaliers, who are preparing for Thursday’s NBA draft by taking part in lots of conversations.
1. The Cavs have talked to the Memphis Grizzlies on more than one occasion. I write that with a great deal of certainty. What we don’t know is what, exactly, those talks have been about.
2. Memphis has been shopping the No. 4 overall draft pick and forward Chandler Parsons. The reward for taking Parsons’ huge contract (more than $49 million over the next two years) is an extra lottery selection. The Cavs have some massive contracts, and the eighth overall pick. They could potentially send both to the Grizzlies in return.
3. Ideally, of course, the Cavs would keep both the fourth and eighth picks. It may be possible if they start promising future picks to the Grizzlies.
4. Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley could also be part of the talks. It’s hard to say. Conley is due a whopping $30.5 million next season, $32.5 the year after that and $34.5 in 2020-21. That’s a massive and long contract for a guy who is a nice starter, but not exactly the second coming of Oscar Robertson. Conley, 31, has also been prone to major injury. He appeared in just 12 games last season.
5. So it’s hard to envision the Cavs having any sort of interest in Conley … unless, again, the No. 4 pick is somehow involved.
6. Speaking of veteran point guards, the Cavs spoke to the Charlotte Hornets about Kemba Walker at the February trade deadline and are again expressing interest. Without a doubt, the Hornets are more than open to moving Walker.
7. As mentioned on Amico Hoops earlier this week, the Cavs have also been calling the San Antonio Spurs about Kawhi Leonard. But pulling off a trade won’t be easy. Everyone, it seems, is after Leonard. There is a possibility that the Cavs’ talks with the Grizzlies and Hornets could be for the purpose of helping to facilitate a trade for Leonard.
8. No matter, the Cavs have no idea what LeBron James will do in free agency. Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and the basketball office, headed by general manager Koby Altman, have been in touch with James’ representatives since the end of the season. But those conversations have not gone into detail about James’ looming decision. The Cavs are entering the draft blindly when it comes to LeBron.
9. As I said during a radio spot with 92.3 The Fan, I suspect the Cavs will use their No. 8 selection and hold on to the player … at least until learning what James decides. That said, a lot of teams are very interested in trading up to that eighth spot. Or at least interested in trading for whoever the Cavs select.
10. Interestingly, the Brooklyn Nets are said to be the biggest suitor. Interesting because the Cavs’ eighth overall pick originally belonged to the Nets (and came to Cleveland via the Kyrie Irving trade with the Boston Celtics). The Cavs are listening to all offers for the pick and will continue to do so well after they select a player.
11. Along with that, the Cavs have had discussions on possibly adding another late first-rounder “to help open up the possibilities,” a league source said.
12. Finally, the Cavs intend to pick up Rodney Hood’s contract option of $3.4 million. That will make Hood a restricted free agent — meaning the Cavs can match an offer from another team. But I’ve been told that picking up the option does NOT mean Hood is set in the Cavs’ plans.
Cavaliers general manager Koby Altman and owner Dan Gilbert have been busy looking for the right deal.
JUNE 19, 2018
Sam Amico
Quick random dribbles on the Cleveland Cavaliers, who are preparing for Thursday’s NBA draft by taking part in lots of conversations.
1. The Cavs have talked to the Memphis Grizzlies on more than one occasion. I write that with a great deal of certainty. What we don’t know is what, exactly, those talks have been about.
2. Memphis has been shopping the No. 4 overall draft pick and forward Chandler Parsons. The reward for taking Parsons’ huge contract (more than $49 million over the next two years) is an extra lottery selection. The Cavs have some massive contracts, and the eighth overall pick. They could potentially send both to the Grizzlies in return.
3. Ideally, of course, the Cavs would keep both the fourth and eighth picks. It may be possible if they start promising future picks to the Grizzlies.
4. Grizzlies point guard Mike Conley could also be part of the talks. It’s hard to say. Conley is due a whopping $30.5 million next season, $32.5 the year after that and $34.5 in 2020-21. That’s a massive and long contract for a guy who is a nice starter, but not exactly the second coming of Oscar Robertson. Conley, 31, has also been prone to major injury. He appeared in just 12 games last season.
5. So it’s hard to envision the Cavs having any sort of interest in Conley … unless, again, the No. 4 pick is somehow involved.
6. Speaking of veteran point guards, the Cavs spoke to the Charlotte Hornets about Kemba Walker at the February trade deadline and are again expressing interest. Without a doubt, the Hornets are more than open to moving Walker.
7. As mentioned on Amico Hoops earlier this week, the Cavs have also been calling the San Antonio Spurs about Kawhi Leonard. But pulling off a trade won’t be easy. Everyone, it seems, is after Leonard. There is a possibility that the Cavs’ talks with the Grizzlies and Hornets could be for the purpose of helping to facilitate a trade for Leonard.
8. No matter, the Cavs have no idea what LeBron James will do in free agency. Cavs owner Dan Gilbert and the basketball office, headed by general manager Koby Altman, have been in touch with James’ representatives since the end of the season. But those conversations have not gone into detail about James’ looming decision. The Cavs are entering the draft blindly when it comes to LeBron.
9. As I said during a radio spot with 92.3 The Fan, I suspect the Cavs will use their No. 8 selection and hold on to the player … at least until learning what James decides. That said, a lot of teams are very interested in trading up to that eighth spot. Or at least interested in trading for whoever the Cavs select.
10. Interestingly, the Brooklyn Nets are said to be the biggest suitor. Interesting because the Cavs’ eighth overall pick originally belonged to the Nets (and came to Cleveland via the Kyrie Irving trade with the Boston Celtics). The Cavs are listening to all offers for the pick and will continue to do so well after they select a player.
11. Along with that, the Cavs have had discussions on possibly adding another late first-rounder “to help open up the possibilities,” a league source said.
12. Finally, the Cavs intend to pick up Rodney Hood’s contract option of $3.4 million. That will make Hood a restricted free agent — meaning the Cavs can match an offer from another team. But I’ve been told that picking up the option does NOT mean Hood is set in the Cavs’ plans.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2529I didn’t think we had the assets to add another star, but they are talking to some teams about some pretty big names. I read earlier that Cavs are talking to Trail Blazers about Lilliard and McCollum as well as guys mentioned in article above. Would guess Lilliard would be a pipe dream. Does #8 pick have more value then I thought?
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2530The 8th pick has tremendous value if the Cavs are willing to take long term contracts back for their own shorter term contracts.
Kevin Love has pretty decent value to teams that feel that they have to shake things up . (Portland)
Going in order of value. 8th pick, Love, absorb contracts, Nance Jr. ,Osman
Kevin Love has pretty decent value to teams that feel that they have to shake things up . (Portland)
Going in order of value. 8th pick, Love, absorb contracts, Nance Jr. ,Osman
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2531If we could add a PG like Lilliard or Conley without giving up Love we might be in business. LBJ might just stay and recruit a guy to join them.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2532Not going to get any decent veteran player without adding Love. 8th pick needs salaries added to get a veteran. Teams are not going to take Thompson or Smith.
I would trade Love to Memphis for Chandler Parsons and #4. I would not throw in #8.
I would trade Love to Memphis for Chandler Parsons and #4. I would not throw in #8.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2533We wouldn't get Lilliard without trading Love, but I do think we can get Walker or Conley without trading him. At least that's the tumors. But Amico sounds sure of it, must have got some good info.
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2534I like reading Amico but most of his speculation does not happen. I am sure the Cavs are talking to everyone as they should . Memphis is not trying to give #4 away. They are trying to get rid of a contract and drop back a few spots in the draft. (#8)
Re: Cleveland Cavaliers
2535I went back and looked. My bad, only thing Amico said he was certain of was the Cavs and Grizzlies have talked. Everything other than that is pure speculation.
I just wonder if they want to get rid of Conley's humongous contract as well, given injury history. You know I'm a homer. Would love Conley. We will see. Might be a very interesting week.
I just wonder if they want to get rid of Conley's humongous contract as well, given injury history. You know I'm a homer. Would love Conley. We will see. Might be a very interesting week.